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Amarr is becoming the second drone race
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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-11-07 16:43:33 UTC
Gallente have been traditionally THE drone race, with the best drones and the best drone ships, and every other race has generally been relegated to using drones as minor support, with the exception of the Arbitrator/Curse/Pilgrim. Now that CCP's clear design intent is going to be bringing Amarr two more drone ships competitive with Gallente (the new Dragoon is a drone ship, and the Prophecy is also possibly becoming one with a larger drone bay than the Myrmidon with less bandwidth), it appears that Amarr is now the race for lasers and drones, not so much lasers and unguided missiles with the exception of some T2 ships.

With this in mind, perhaps it's high time for CCP to really start evaluating the drones themselves. Is CCP really happy with drone balance, or is the underutilization of Amarr and Caldari drones something that CCP should be looking into?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Melina Lin
Universal Frog
#2 - 2012-11-07 16:53:43 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
...with the exception of the Arbitrator/Curse/Pilgrim..

Sentinel/Legion are missing on your little list.

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
With this in mind, perhaps it's high time for CCP to really start evaluating the drones themselves. Is CCP really happy with drone balance, or is the underutilization of Amarr and Caldari drones something that CCP should be looking into?


They should start with the interface. Micro-managing drones is quite aggravating.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#3 - 2012-11-07 16:54:16 UTC
Devblog wrote:
Dominix: still remains a popular ship. It is fairly good, except for the drone mechanics themselves, which are terribly outdated. While we are not certain when this can be tackled, it definitely has high priority on our to-do list.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#4 - 2012-11-07 16:57:09 UTC
Easy

Caracal has Kinetic Damage
Moa - Gets Kinetic Drone Damage

Amarr gets RoF
Arbitrator gets drone RoF

Gallente has kin/ther closerange dps
Gallente drones get ther closerange dps

Minmatar has fast RoF
Minmatar drones have faster Rof.

Simple.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#5 - 2012-11-07 16:58:13 UTC
I think the Prophecy will still be inferior to the Myrmidon because it can't field as many drones. It's seems like CCP are taking a ship no-one uses because it sucks and turning it into a ship no-one will use because it still sucks. We shall have to wait and see though.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-11-07 17:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Melina Lin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
...with the exception of the Arbitrator/Curse/Pilgrim..

Sentinel/Legion are missing on your little list.

On the Legion you're correct, however the Sentinel doesn't have launcher hardpoints. The Magnate will, but it's an exploration frigate.

Melina Lin wrote:


They should start with the interface. Micro-managing drones is quite aggravating.

I believe that's what they meant by the below quote.

Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Devblog wrote:
Dominix: still remains a popular ship. It is fairly good, except for the drone mechanics themselves, which are terribly outdated. While we are not certain when this can be tackled, it definitely has high priority on our to-do list.


It depends on how you define "drone mechanics". I interpreted it to mean their behavior and interface, not their individual attributes, which fall under the category of balance.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-11-07 17:30:08 UTC
It makes sense that amarr put $$$ into drone technology like gallente because they both use slow ships.
I am glad they are embracing drone boats for amarr, because the drone boats they do get are great, arbitrator, curse, pilgrim are pretty powerful
armageddon is pretty good too.
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-11-07 17:41:46 UTC
Fluff-wise, Drones make perfect sense for the slave owning fundamentalists.
Mr Pragmatic
#9 - 2012-11-07 18:28:30 UTC
I support the amarr drone revolution. lasers suck.

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Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
The Lost Drone Society
#10 - 2012-11-07 18:31:25 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Fluff-wise, Drones make perfect sense for the slave owning fundamentalists.



I just got images of Amarr drones being piloted by slaves with pleasure/pain control systems Lol

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Mr Pragmatic
#11 - 2012-11-07 18:32:30 UTC
Also drones make perfect sense for amarr since they are stuck using crystals that only deal THERM and EM.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#12 - 2012-11-07 18:35:38 UTC
Oh here's an idea...what if Amarr drone boats were speced to have better command and control (they're pr0 and cybernetics since that how they keep Emperors alive) and thus higher bandwidth than most Gallente drone boats but Gallente drone boats are speced to have better damage and tracking algorithms or have internal bays that can refit drones for more firepower.

They should have equal drone bay sizes and the Amarr will be able to use 5 drones and Gallente use 3 but with enough of a dmg bonus to count for 5.

Tbh what I really want is for amarr to have an extra drone per level bonus and the gallente have a raw dmg bonus xD

Also we need something to separate cruiser and BC drone boats since they both can fly 5 mediums as it is now....The BCs either need to be able to field more mediums or have a larger bonus to follow the trend medium missiles and guns follow when transitioning to BCs

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#13 - 2012-11-07 18:51:15 UTC
Drones, slaves, blah blah you got chocolate in my peanut butter.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#14 - 2012-11-07 19:21:09 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
It makes sense that amarr put $$$ into drone technology like gallente because they both use slow ships.
I am glad they are embracing drone boats for amarr, because the drone boats they do get are great, arbitrator, curse, pilgrim are pretty powerful
armageddon is pretty good too.

Gallente ships really aren't that slow, til you start strapping armor plates on them.

Try a gallente ship built around speed sometime, you may be pleasantly surprised by its performance(if you don't use hybrid guns).

The core issue with gallente ships is our real damage other than drones is so right up in your face its almost impossible to deliver without having to wade through enemy fire, and then you get knocked right back out when you get webbed.

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Alara IonStorm
#15 - 2012-11-07 19:50:10 UTC
Making ships for a race that will never use their own racial drones.

CCP is sure thinking outside the drone bay.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-11-07 20:03:12 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
It makes sense that amarr put $$$ into drone technology like gallente because they both use slow ships.
I am glad they are embracing drone boats for amarr, because the drone boats they do get are great, arbitrator, curse, pilgrim are pretty powerful
armageddon is pretty good too.

Gallente ships really aren't that slow, til you start strapping armor plates on them.

Try a gallente ship built around speed sometime, you may be pleasantly surprised by its performance(if you don't use hybrid guns).

The core issue with gallente ships is our real damage other than drones is so right up in your face its almost impossible to deliver without having to wade through enemy fire, and then you get knocked right back out when you get webbed.

This.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-11-07 21:03:47 UTC
I guess my main point was that CCP needs to realize sooner or later that Amarr drones ******* suck, and Caldari drones aren't much better.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-11-07 21:45:51 UTC
Another issue is the limit of 5 drones out. Whilst it keeps the lag- monster away it sort of also keeps Gallente from being the drone-hives that they should be. Then again, maybe this issue could be solved somehow relatively easy today.

Sheer numbers could otherwise be a very effective way of distinctly separate the factions in the drone department.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#19 - 2012-11-07 22:14:06 UTC
Amarr invented drones. The Feddies just stole the technology and integrated it further than the Empire did.

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Alara IonStorm
#20 - 2012-11-08 01:30:03 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Amarr invented drones. The Feddies just stole the technology and integrated it further than the Empire did.

Perhaps they should steal some of it back. At this point I am pretty sure the Amarr Navy buys Gal and Minmatar Drones off the market.
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