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So the most recent dev blog......

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#1 - 2012-11-07 12:37:04 UTC
There is not as much noise after this one as I thought there would be.

Burn It All

Next year, in summary:

Tier 3 BC will have their speed nerfed.
All Tier 2 BC will have one slot stripped from them.
Boosters will have to be on grid.
T3 boosters will have their 5% bonus go to a 2% bonus.

Tier 1 BC will gain a slot and focus and BS will be rebalanced as well.

Discuss.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#2 - 2012-11-07 12:54:30 UTC
May as well just delete the command subsystem from tech 3's then since they can be 1 volleyed by most arty bs.

Speaking of arty bs, all this does really is buff alpha doctrines, which were already one of the strongest doctrines in the game.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#3 - 2012-11-07 12:55:20 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
At some point in the undetermined future Boosters will have to be on grid.


Thats what I took away from it.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-11-07 12:59:29 UTC
how many people will be saving ten bucks a month on their tech 3 booster accounts on patch day? :D

i hope the new CS will be boosted well enough to warrant their high cost and still being mostly a gimped lemon with 2/3 links or few people are going to bother at all.

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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#5 - 2012-11-07 13:04:10 UTC
You know I thought there was a point to training my damnation.

It's sitting in it's hanging singing 'somewhere over the rainbow' as we speak.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-07 13:21:08 UTC
they also very specifically said that T3s with links will have better capabilities than CSs with link so don't go celebrating your damnation just yet since it's likely getting nerfed through the floor while getting more DPS.

frankly i think the entire boosting changes are poorly thought through at best and will make a lot of ships useless (namely all caldari and gallente boost ships.)

they'd do better to just go with a simple fix:

1. make CSs only able to fit 1 link at 5% bonus
2. make T3s be able to fit 3 links at a 3% bonus and be tankable while doing so to a viable degree
3. make boosting on field only

then just need to balance out the CSs up to the damnation level and youre done.
simple and efficient.

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#7 - 2012-11-07 14:27:01 UTC
I just think prevent them from boosting behind a pos shield. Perhaps make them a little easier to scan.

Making t3's on grid will just make a new obvious primary. Giving them a tank like the damnation while in boosting configuration will present massive issues for other configurations.

Perhaps, commandships have to be on grid and bosst 5%, and t3's can be anywhere but boost 3% along with the limitations i mentioned above.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#8 - 2012-11-07 14:35:52 UTC
How did Fozzie put it? He wants to put a dagger in the eye of OP 5% and wiggle it a little. 5% is a non starter.
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#9 - 2012-11-07 14:55:17 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
May as well just delete the command subsystem from tech 3's then since they can be 1 volleyed by most arty bs.

Speaking of arty bs, all this does really is buff alpha doctrines, which were already one of the strongest doctrines in the game.


In other words, your pvp method of "Fly solo with t3 links in deep safe while sitting at gate/undock at 0 in tanky boat" gets nerfed. And you are mad? How so? Based on your usual smack talk you are the toughest thing out there since Charles Bronson's jockstrap so surely this should not hinder you in the least.

But dont worry, you can still fly "massive tanky boat with cyno" so your friends can titan bridge to save you so you are not entirely removed from Eve pvp. That's your other method of pvp from what I have seen.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-11-07 16:13:17 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
There is not as much noise after this one as I thought there would be.

Burn It All

Next year, in summary:

Tier 3 BC will have their speed nerfed.
All Tier 2 BC will have one slot stripped from them.
Boosters will have to be on grid.
T3 boosters will have their 5% bonus go to a 2% bonus.

Tier 1 BC will gain a slot and focus and BS will be rebalanced as well.

Discuss.


Frankly what bothers me a lot more is how the upcoming Destroyer/Battlecruiser racial split is going to affect cross-training. Doesn't affect me personally, as I have both of those maxed out, but I can just picture some poor schmuck spending half a year training the "wrong" race and being unable to join most corps because his ships and weapons totally don't work with the accepted fleet doctrine, and it'll take another few months to cross train to a new race. Training all races was a little daunting before, but after this change it'll be a humongous undertaking.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#11 - 2012-11-07 16:22:23 UTC
Burn them all. Fleets already have a boost with pure numbers.

As a concession I will accept on-grid, moderately boosting, T3s and BCs. Big smile
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#12 - 2012-11-07 16:36:41 UTC
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
May as well just delete the command subsystem from tech 3's then since they can be 1 volleyed by most arty bs.

Speaking of arty bs, all this does really is buff alpha doctrines, which were already one of the strongest doctrines in the game.


In other words, your pvp method of "Fly solo with t3 links in deep safe while sitting at gate/undock at 0 in tanky boat" gets nerfed. And you are mad? How so? Based on your usual smack talk you are the toughest thing out there since Charles Bronson's jockstrap so surely this should not hinder you in the least.

But dont worry, you can still fly "massive tanky boat with cyno" so your friends can titan bridge to save you so you are not entirely removed from Eve pvp. That's your other method of pvp from what I have seen.


Only one of us is mad, as exemplified by your post.

Also, less posting more d-plexing south placid :)
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#13 - 2012-11-07 17:06:53 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
May as well just delete the command subsystem from tech 3's then since they can be 1 volleyed by most arty bs.

Speaking of arty bs, all this does really is buff alpha doctrines, which were already one of the strongest doctrines in the game.


In other words, your pvp method of "Fly solo with t3 links in deep safe while sitting at gate/undock at 0 in tanky boat" gets nerfed. And you are mad? How so? Based on your usual smack talk you are the toughest thing out there since Charles Bronson's jockstrap so surely this should not hinder you in the least.

But dont worry, you can still fly "massive tanky boat with cyno" so your friends can titan bridge to save you so you are not entirely removed from Eve pvp. That's your other method of pvp from what I have seen.


Only one of us is mad, as exemplified by your post.

Also, less posting more d-plexing south placid :)


no one is mad, saying that someone is mad is just your way to deal with fact that you get no respect from others and that is so important thing in internet to get some respect from random people.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#14 - 2012-11-07 17:14:57 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:

no one is mad, saying that someone is mad is just your way to deal with fact that you get no respect from others and that is so important thing in internet to get some respect from random people.



Sorry bm, but he is clearly mad. Ive never smacktalked him or made any claim about being uber pro leet. Yet he always goes off topic to address my posts making such claims along with allegations of real life death threats that no one ever made outside his head.

So yeah, he is mad.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#15 - 2012-11-07 17:37:54 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:

no one is mad, saying that someone is mad is just your way to deal with fact that you get no respect from others and that is so important thing in internet to get some respect from random people.



Sorry bm, but he is clearly mad. Ive never smacktalked him or made any claim about being uber pro leet. Yet he always goes off topic to address my posts making such claims along with allegations of real life death threats that no one ever made outside his head.

So yeah, he is mad.


He is not mad, he is just stating facts there, we all can approve his opinion without being mad.

I wonder why you think that people have some emotions involved when posting.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2012-11-07 18:11:37 UTC
Thing that is boggling to me is the anaemic command bonuses, had expected them to go for 5% on CC and 2% on T3 ..

Question is if they are willing to really shake things up and give a bonus to the one link vanilla BCs can field and rewrite the code so that fleets get a priority list that automatically apply bonuses from the next ship in line as the one above pops.

At any rate, it is heartening that they are going to make them into beasts .. all of them. Can't wait to get in on an all Amarr CS fleet with links spread out on almost everyone to maximize individual combat performance .. micromanagement for the win!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#17 - 2012-11-08 02:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Bad Messenger wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:

no one is mad, saying that someone is mad is just your way to deal with fact that you get no respect from others and that is so important thing in internet to get some respect from random people.



Sorry bm, but he is clearly mad. Ive never smacktalked him or made any claim about being uber pro leet. Yet he always goes off topic to address my posts making such claims along with allegations of real life death threats that no one ever made outside his head.

So yeah, he is mad.


He is not mad, he is just stating facts there, we all can approve his opinion without being mad.

I wonder why you think that people have some emotions involved when posting.


Seems you are making the assumption that im talking about his emotional state rather than his mental health.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#18 - 2012-11-08 03:16:22 UTC
bukuk bukuk says Chicken Miton.

As I said in the devblob threadnaught, if your T3 ship with 5 links and a mindlinked clone with no tanking skills is on grid with everyone else, yes, it will instapop. But, hey, maybe spend some time in Pyfa in a conclave of min-maxing while heptaboxing dreads in C5 space, Jack, and figure out a tankier T3 boosting fit without 5 links? Or, you know, take out a Command Ship.

In all cases, this is Q.Q by OGB alt owners complaining that they apparently wasted all the time training an overpecialised alt into a niche fitting in a niche ship for a niche role, loaded their clones with ridiculous implants, because they got to provide OTT boosts to their gang all with absolutely zero practical risk.

Now the party is over, its all tears and blubbing, and I love it. These are the same people who say "if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it", "risk for ISK", "nothing is risk-free", and other such trite bovine effluvium, whilst maintaining their OGB alts in utter safety and fooling themselves they are elite PVPers because their boosts get them kills.

I am sure you will figure out how to fly your T3 boosting ships with one or two links and a tank, or how to GTFO the hull from danger. Or you might double down and retrain the alts into command ships (you lready have the leadership and cruiser 5 skills). Or, you know, HTFU.

Forcing boosters on grid just means you have to adjust your tactics and not run your booster as an AFK alt on a minimised client nestled next to dailypuppy.com or cuteoverload.com or my little pony online. If that means you can't take a Loki on field in place of a Claymore, so be it. You will be replaced by someone playing a boosting Loki as their main, and they will fit guns to it and create a fit which allows them to participate.

HTFU ladies.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#19 - 2012-11-08 03:23:16 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
bukuk bukuk says Chicken Miton.

As I said in the devblob threadnaught, if your T3 ship with 5 links and a mindlinked clone with no tanking skills is on grid with everyone else, yes, it will instapop. But, hey, maybe spend some time in Pyfa in a conclave of min-maxing while heptaboxing dreads in C5 space, Jack, and figure out a tankier T3 boosting fit without 5 links? Or, you know, take out a Command Ship.

In all cases, this is Q.Q by OGB alt owners complaining that they apparently wasted all the time training an overpecialised alt into a niche fitting in a niche ship for a niche role, loaded their clones with ridiculous implants, because they got to provide OTT boosts to their gang all with absolutely zero practical risk.

Now the party is over, its all tears and blubbing, and I love it. These are the same people who say "if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it", "risk for ISK", "nothing is risk-free", and other such trite bovine effluvium, whilst maintaining their OGB alts in utter safety and fooling themselves they are elite PVPers because their boosts get them kills.

I am sure you will figure out how to fly your T3 boosting ships with one or two links and a tank, or how to GTFO the hull from danger. Or you might double down and retrain the alts into command ships (you lready have the leadership and cruiser 5 skills). Or, you know, HTFU.

Forcing boosters on grid just means you have to adjust your tactics and not run your booster as an AFK alt on a minimised client nestled next to dailypuppy.com or cuteoverload.com or my little pony online. If that means you can't take a Loki on field in place of a Claymore, so be it. You will be replaced by someone playing a boosting Loki as their main, and they will fit guns to it and create a fit which allows them to participate.

HTFU ladies.



Since the command link subsystem falls into the defence category, a t3 booster will always be the weakest ship on field since that subsystem doesnt offer any local defensive attributes. You can put a plate on it and some resists but end up with something that tanks like a brutix.

Either way, saw this coming and commandships V finished training last week ;)

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2012-11-08 05:01:49 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I just think prevent them from boosting behind a pos shield. Perhaps make them a little easier to scan.

Making t3's on grid will just make a new obvious primary. Giving them a tank like the damnation while in boosting configuration will present massive issues for other configurations.

Perhaps, commandships have to be on grid and bosst 5%, and t3's can be anywhere but boost 3% along with the limitations i mentioned above.



Awh, a ship that doubles the battle capabilities of an unlimited number of ships will be an automatic primary?

That is SO unfair.......

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

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