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Henry Montclaire
Guild of Independent Pilots
DammFam
#21 - 2012-08-10 22:59:48 UTC
So, did the guy back out and not give you the iso, or was his "secret to making it rich" just not up to your standards? From the information you've provided, it doesn't look like he was scamming. You got a free 21 day trial, so you're not exactly a victim, especially if he did split the money with you as promised.
Kathleen Nolan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-08-10 23:22:59 UTC
Henry Montclaire wrote:
So, did the guy back out and not give you the iso, or was his "secret to making it rich" just not up to your standards? From the information you've provided, it doesn't look like he was scamming. You got a free 21 day trial, so you're not exactly a victim, especially if he did split the money with you as promised.


I chose his offer because while x00ISK is great, a solid future would be better. he said he had information to make billions, whih was only 'get rich first'
Rams Trouput
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-08-10 23:52:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Rams Trouput
To me(yes a complete NOOB, barely 3 days out of my lil pod), it doesn't sound like a scam, if he gave u the mega bucks as promised.

If your grumbling about the "SECRETS OF EVE MONEY BAGS", but didn't like the advice he gave you, but didn't like it. That's not a scam. That's common knowledge!

I read over the forums a few day just to get a feel for the game(which blew my mind trying to understand till I got a lil hands on), and bunches of people were talking talking duel accounts(one was talking 7 accounts) while they duel screened with duel clients, one was his fun do stuff screen, the other was his mining screen and money screen.

..............................................

I thought about taking those offers, but I like my goober and his stupid name.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#24 - 2012-08-11 01:59:52 UTC
Kathleen Nolan wrote:
I chose his offer because while x00ISK is great, a solid future would be better. he said he had information to make billions, whih was only 'get rich first'


He used to give out other advice besides that — most of which is available through various guides, but at least he took the time to point new players in the right direction. If you feel that the information presented wasn't worth the hundred-odd million difference between the ISK offered by Tank CEO and the ISK offered by others, it might be worth consulting the GMs through the petition system. From my reading of the conditions, the prohibition on scamming only relates to material rewards (i.e: in-game currency or items). There is no requirement for "value for money" to be offered.

In the meantime, check out the Making ISK guide and the Day 0 Advice for New Players thread.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Riffler
Punning Clan
#25 - 2012-08-11 09:30:13 UTC
The value of intel is subjective. That could have been useful to someone else. His assumption that a new player would find it useful is not unreasonable.

Either way, the buddy program is specifically, and pretty much uniquely, protected agianst scamming. If you genuinely believe you've been scammed, and genuinely believe you can make someone at CCP agree with you (Pro tip - you haven't, and you won't), then feel free to petition.

If nothing else it'll give the GMs something to laugh about.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-08-11 09:53:44 UTC
promising 400mil on the invite and not giving it = scamming
Giving advice that you don't like = not scamming.

The first is not allowed. The second one is, as he gave what he said, the money and advice. That you find that advice not usefull is your own opinion.

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Keno Skir
#27 - 2012-08-11 14:02:47 UTC
I tend to do much the same thing for my buddy trials, provide them with a starting focus and a goal. Also show them easy places to make better cash as a new player and help them construct a training plan that reflects the kind of play they really seem interested in.

But there is always the possibility that someone might have expected a little more. A new player might expect that with the assistance of an older player they can rinse billions a month, but unless the older player is really doing most of the work for you this really just isnt possible.

I'd like to think having read some good replies from TANK's previous buddies that this isn't always how he deals with new players, but there's also a lot to be said for finding your own mentor in game. Every subscribed player gets buddy trials, so if you meet someone in game who is subscribed and they seem to like doing what you do, ask them for one.

You are always protected from scams involving the buddy trial (unless prize is info like Tanks). So even if you meet someone in space and they offer you 200mil when u sub their trial that is a binding agreement in the eyes of CCP.

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Tank CEO
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2012-08-11 16:54:41 UTC
Kathleen Nolan wrote:
ok so, I'm new to this but posting with my main. I have nothing to hide.


I trialed this game a few weeks ago, and saw a thread in these same hallowed forums by a dude named TankCEO, who I did not know.

the guy promised mad ISK- he would send hundreds of millions of ISK if you abandoned your current trial and restarted n one created by him. the idea is that if he refers you andyou turn the referral into a paid sub, CCP give him rewards. far greater than those passed on to me, but that's no biggie. it's just Business, and that's ok. but TankCEO offered one more thing (not just lots of golds, but 'my secret to making billions ingame), and yesterday he divulged this secret to me:

Quote:
Get rich first, then go play in pvp. Always good to have more than 1 account/character.


this is hardly revolutionary thinking now is it? this seems fairly generic 5yr-old economics. 'keep income generation a priority and then combat later'. I learnt this playing Command & Conquer in 1996! Plus, the secret was sold as 'how to get rich', yet the first three words of his email gloss over that



My offer located here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=54294#post54294

Tank Ceo wrote:


#2Posted: 2011.09.13 16:33 | Report | Edited by: Tank CEO
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Updated August 1st, 2012



Tank CEO's Buddy Invite Program

Before you request a buddy invite from me, please be 100% sure that you will use my invite. If you send me an email and then later change your mind, please inform me before I send you an invite, so it's not wasted. Buddy invites are limited per month.

What am I offering?

- 300 Million ISK bonus
- 25 Million ISK bonus if you subsribe within 24 hours.
- 5 Million ISK bonus if you leave positive feedback & like my post here by clicking the thumbs up button. IMPORTANT, please leave feedback before you request payment after subscribing, so it's easier for me to just send you the reward in one large sum.

What do you need to do to receive an invite?

Send me an e-mail to tankceo@gmail.com.

What do you need to do to receive your ISK?

Subscribe using eligible payment methods. Payments not eligible for this offer: PayPal, Direct Debit, CD Keys, including CD Keys purchased or received from non-CCP sources and online stores such as, but not limited to: Steam Store, Direct2Drive, Gamers Gate, Impulse Driven.

To Recap, here are the 4 steps you must complete to receive your ISK!

1. First, request a buddy invite from me @ tankceo@gmail.com.
2. Second, accept the buddy invite by creating an account through the email.
3. Finally, subscribe (pay for 1 month subscription) using an eligible payment method, and then send me an e-mail stating you subscribed and disclose your character name to send payment to. This step is important! It is your responsibility to inform me of your subscription via E-MAIL!
4. Post feedback and thumbs up this post! (optional) Please inform me if you've left feedback via email. Thanks.

Note -- The best time to request an invite from me is around 5-12 pm EST (-5 GMT) time because I work from 7-5pm. Please allow me 12-24 hours before seeking another offer.

PLEASE THUMBS UP MY POST IF YOU ENJOYED MY SERVICE!



Do you see any where in that offer that states I offer advise to become rich? The suggestion I gave you was just me giving you a simple tip.

With that said, how the hell do you feel scammed? I sent you the money shown here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/353625/dumbass.jpg

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#29 - 2012-08-11 18:09:38 UTC
Tank CEO wrote:
~stuff~

To verify your authenticity, can you confirm that that Machariel is indeed... ultimate badass?

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Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Blackwater International
#30 - 2012-11-07 14:57:55 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
It's hard to lose 20 ships in a day.

Is that a challenge?


Yes. Accept it and make a video.

http://eve-sojourn.blogspot.com/
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#31 - 2012-11-07 15:00:19 UTC
Petrus, I shall join you in losing 20 ships in a single day.

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CCP Gargant
C C P
C C P Alliance
#32 - 2012-11-07 16:10:15 UTC
I would like to remind everyone that if you believe someone has scammed you with Buddy Invites, file a petition. We do not take kindly to players scamming our newcomers even before they lose their first ships.

Additionally, I removed some slandering posts from this thread. If someone is a buddy invite scammer, let the Game Masters know and they will investigate. The appropriate action will then be taken.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#33 - 2012-11-07 19:02:40 UTC
CCP Gargant wrote:
I would like to remind everyone that if you believe someone has scammed you with Buddy Invites, file a petition. We do not take kindly to players scamming our newcomers even before they lose their first ships.

Additionally, I removed some slandering posts from this thread. If someone is a buddy invite scammer, let the Game Masters know and they will investigate. The appropriate action will then be taken.


Two things:

1) When it's written it's not slander, it's libel.
2) It's not libel if it's true.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#34 - 2012-11-08 16:17:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Aptenodytes
If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. A good lesson for EVE as well as real life. But yes buddy scamming is a big no-no. Although, I'm not really sure how you got scammed? He promised a few mil ISK and that's what you got, right? The only scam was his worthless "secrets" but you didn't pay any extra for these did you? Maybe I am missing something here but I can't see any way in which you got scammed?
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-11-08 23:15:46 UTC
The thing you also have to realise, is that the name tankCEO goes right back to the start of Eve and like the preverbial outbreak of Haemorrhoids keeps comeing back into game to try and mess things up.

To be honest , I wish that CCP would perma ban the character, the player behind it, and even block the name from ever being used in Eve. As the idiot behind that name is a griefer of the worst kind.

To any player who playes a pirate, you want to know why High Sec is so badly nerfed? Thank tankCEO. All he and his crew of idiots do is come in game and target new players. The name should be banned once and for all
yopparai
ASTARTES CORP
Hashashin Cartel
#36 - 2012-11-09 19:16:50 UTC
Let me help you out a bit.

Chapter two of the how to get rich in eve handbook reads -

disregard females, acquire isk.

You're welcome,

Yopp
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#37 - 2012-11-10 20:28:05 UTC
Truth is this, years and years ago Tank CEO was a "someone", mostly because of a hilarious youtube vid where some crying Carebear went full ****** on their TS server. Since his return a while ago (1-2 years?) he's been nothing but a whiny clown and many suspect him to be under new management. Ignore&avoid.

If you have questions on EVE or issues or whatever feel free to mail me and I'll help you out. Free of charge, no strings attached.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#38 - 2012-11-11 11:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Velarra wrote:
Unfortunately the PVE content at best only flirts with being vaguely similar to PVP. At worst, it teaches unfortunate fitting techniques that while fine for PVE turn ships into both loot balloons as well as unable to effectively PVP. They're two separate worlds and when ever they interact directly, someone typically loses a ship.


Which in itself shows that CCP might want to consider their "balancing" philosophy to aim at this particular imbalance in game-play. We know that PvE and PvP require two completely different play and fitting styles. The question is "why?" Why has CCP made their game mechanics so that this is true? That it is not true demonstrates that something is wrong with some core mechanics, either in PvE, PvP, or both.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#39 - 2012-11-11 11:20:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Velarra wrote:
Unfortunately the PVE content at best only flirts with being vaguely similar to PVP. At worst, it teaches unfortunate fitting techniques that while fine for PVE turn ships into both loot balloons as well as unable to effectively PVP. They're two separate worlds and when ever they interact directly, someone typically loses a ship.


Which in itself shows that CCP might want to consider their "balancing" philosophy to aim at this particular imbalance in game-play. We know that PvE and PvP require two completely different play and fitting styles. The question is "why?" Why has CCP made their game mechanics so that this is true? That it is not true demonstrates that something is wrong with some core mechanics, either in PvE, PvP, or both.


That's the thing, it's not separate at all. This IS a pvp centric MMO based on the idea of bashing eachother's heads in using various ways, be it pewpew, the market or through denial of space/assets or any other funky stuff we can come up with. That's what CCP envisioned from the start and what they still try to keep up. Just because someone who's new chooses not to see it that way or because someone who's been PVEing for years want to wish away these vile and horrible space bullies, doesn't mean that should happen.

Just because it requires a different fitting has nothing to do with it, what you mean to say is "it requires some brain effort, people are allergic to that". EVE is one of the few that allows that sort of gameplay, if one can't deal with that then this person should either adapt (which isn't that hard btw, it just requires a little bit of effort) or move on.
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