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How to get more real targets to nullsec/lowsec.

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Pantheon Lea
Farmer Boyz
#1 - 2012-11-06 12:16:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Pantheon Lea
I was reading a thread today, and i actually missed my time as a director for a small fine PvP corp in the once so great V alliance.

As i remember we had the most fun patrolling the space in small roaming gangs, we usually had a few corps forming small fleets and went patrolling the space for red's or neutrals, if there weren't any, we roamed into the neighboring alliance space and wreaked havoc.

Sometimes we also escorted industrial pilots, or cleared entry's into our space to other people safely could fly new gear in to fight in, lots of team play, but sometimes a little more traveling around than we wanted.

Today my RL does not give me enough time to dedicate to EVE, so i'm merely just using the game to keep in touch with old friends, making billions to spend on whatever comes to me sometime. I would like to go to null again, but i have no real role there, and can't seem to figure out what to do there.

To be "safe" in null you have to know people, knowing people is normally done by getting into a corp based in 0.0, but they expect dedication, you have to be active, you are expected to play as a team, you can't bring your lazy casual play style there, and expect to have success.

Being in a 0.0 based corp gives you access to Intel, and a blue tag on the overview, that's simply enough to avoid being killed for no apparent reason, you will get killed for a lot of other reasons, but most casual actually players don't mind that.

To solve we need some kind of ingame system to give foreign players the two things they need, a blue tag and access to intel/coms.

i propose a deal/pass system, you make a deal with the corp/alliance and a long as this deal stands you are green (of some other color) on the overview to every member in the alliance, the deal can be anything written in text, everyone in the alliance can see it, and request a leader to void the deal, when the deal is voided you immediately loose your color and access to intel/coms.

This solved the hard work of communicating to the alliance members who are friends and should be left alive or even assisted, and in a short time an alliance reputation would state if they keep their end of the deals or not.

For casual players they will be able to go to null and bring some enrichment to the space, filling the marked with nice ships and gear, rat a little mine a little, if that is a part of the deal.

For null players they get more targets to interact with, they can kill players that void their deals, patrol that they are actually sticking to their deal, or protect them from hostile roaming gangs.

For the null in general, it means more life, more gear on the market, more clever targets, as some will be making the deals just to void them, and some will not get them done in time.

This could be applied to low sec as well.

- Ulrik Lunddahl
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#2 - 2012-11-06 12:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Silk daShocka
Pretty interesting idea. It could be implemented even as a passport that you can have various alliances/corps "sign". Once signed you will be marked as such on teh overview. This could also generate corps/alliances some income if a signing fee was coded into the passport. The signature could also carry an expiry date, allowing sellers to price them based on the time that is desired as well as keeping control of their space and keeping things organized by not having indefinitely signed passes that would have to be attended to occasionally case by case..

Really not sure if your idea would work in practice though, perhaps someone more knowledgeable can chime in on that.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-11-06 12:36:18 UTC
So generally I understand that as a "time limited standing / pass" based on a contract or something?

Interesting approach ...

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.

Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-11-06 12:39:29 UTC
Basically you're asking for the sort of thing that was in the treaty system that was supposed to be included in Dominion, but got scrapped at the 11th hour and vanished into the backlog black hole ever since.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#5 - 2012-11-06 12:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
So people could become green to every nullsec alliance and rat/plex anywhere they want in complete safety?

I think this will lead to two things. People will leave their alliances so they can become green to all alliances and carebear anywhere they like without risk of being attacked by hostile alliances. People will leave their alliances so they can freely kill all the new greens that think they will be safe carebearing in nullsec.
Pantheon Lea
Farmer Boyz
#6 - 2012-11-06 13:01:46 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
So generally I understand that as a "time limited standing / pass" based on a contract or something?

Interesting approach ...


Yes, but not limited to a contract, you pass should simply be text visible to anyone on the alliance/corp that issued it, if you comply with what is in the text (the deal) there would be no reason for the pilot to click the "void contract" button, or send the contract to be voided by someone with rights to do so.

Once the contract is voided, the guest is neutral or red or whatever policy is normal for that space, you could even be marked as -10 and therefore a priority target.

Like:

This pilot is granted a free access to the space betveen system A and System B, to transport goods to our market.
- Ratting is permitted, mining is NOT permitted.
- This pilot can NOT be trusted for gangs.

Or:

This pilot is granted access to border system for participating in securing the entrys into our space.
- Ratting, mining, docking in stations is not permitted.
- This pilot can be trusted for gangs.

Passes should have a start and end date, and it should be possible to show your records when asking the alliance for a pass.

- Ulrik


Pantheon Lea
Farmer Boyz
#7 - 2012-11-06 13:39:00 UTC
As an example i actually have a lot of stuff laying around in i a system in M-MD3B in Great Wildlands, i could figure out a few ways to get that out risk free, but since it has been there for more than a year, it's probably to boring/time consuming to get it out.

I could propose a deal with the locals wreaking everything in the 7Q-8Z2 border system and the 3 jumps further in, i could simply just take a hauler and haul it out.

A resonable payment could be 50 million, or even better i could bring x ships + fitting in the hauler as i'm flying there anyways, a win win situation, but without some ingame mechanics to make it all happen it's not very likely to happen.

The system should let me make a pass/deal/contract for the other guys to accept or decline, so that they don't have to dream up all the ways to make this happen, the alliance simply don't have the time to make all sort of programs, so why not let guests propose why they should be invited.

- Ulrik
Pantheon Lea
Farmer Boyz
#8 - 2012-11-06 20:27:46 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
So people could become green to every nullsec alliance and rat/plex anywhere they want in complete safety?


No you only become green to the one alliance or corp you have an agreement with, and only for the period of time the agreement runs.

Riot Girl wrote:
I think this will lead to two things. People will leave their alliances so they can become green to all alliances and carebear anywhere they like without risk of being attacked by hostile alliances. People will leave their alliances so they can freely kill all the new greens that think they will be safe carebearing in nullsec.


They will not become green to anyone unless there is a reason that anyone should make them green, so you will have a very hard time getting green for free.

There is no need to leave your alliance as you have to protect your own blue and you own green, but lets say some do, they will probably end up being red very soon, and we then have the arena filled with blue, red and greens, all with every reason to fight.

and is that not what we all want small group PvP for a reason....
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#9 - 2012-11-06 20:34:15 UTC
This is not the worst idea I've ever heard, go post it to the right section.
Count of MonteCylon
Anti-Pirate Enforcement
#10 - 2012-11-06 20:36:44 UTC
This should be possible without being coded in, but I guess it would be too much work. I support this idea Big smile

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. -- Ephesians 6:12

Ocih
Space Mermaids
#11 - 2012-11-06 20:37:01 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Basically you're asking for the sort of thing that was in the treaty system that was supposed to be included in Dominion, but got scrapped at the 11th hour and vanished into the backlog black hole ever since.


Making you ask, will we ever see Tracking enhancers with a missile bonus? next patch, next patch.

9 years of flip flops and rope-a-dopes.

The point is, OP it has all been said and we get sold a bill of goods.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#12 - 2012-11-06 21:35:17 UTC
Moved from General Discussion.

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#13 - 2012-11-06 21:49:54 UTC
Welcome to Features and Ideas.

Nice idea, kind of like a temp alliance membership.
I think it wants some kind of history like employment shows, so people can track these types of agreements.

+1
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-11-06 22:06:57 UTC
So...

What you want is a way to AWOX without having to join the alliance you're targeting first?
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#15 - 2012-11-06 22:50:00 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
So...

What you want is a way to AWOX without having to join the alliance you're targeting first?

And THAT is why I think it needs a history.

Preferably something that can act like a reference, so people don't extend contracts like this to the AWOXing types.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#16 - 2012-11-06 23:07:54 UTC
This all assumes that alliances will honor any "green" status they give (hint: they won't).

The reason people don't go into null-sec is because if you are not part of the alliance, you are not to be trusted. You could be the alt of a rival alliance who wants to gain intel. Or a cyno ship. Or a hunter who wants access to the "juicer" targets further into the alliances territories.