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Titans: Great Advantage or Great Hinderance?

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Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-11-06 19:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Casirio
Eternal Montage wrote:
Well, like, what do they do? I'm still not clear on that


they just DO ok?!? THEY DO

edit: they kill supercaps, and bridge people half way across the universe
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#22 - 2012-11-06 19:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ioci
Pro side:

They fit multiple roles
Command Ship extreme
Structure Bashing with Titans isn't quite as cruel and unusual (even without the DDO)
They can run LOL Spider Logistics when you have several of them.
Jump Bridge

Down side
You can never leave it unless you train 2 Titan books.
Extreme ISK sink on your wallet.
Skills required to fly it right are unimaginable.
I have cruiser 5 in all 4 races, Battleship 5 in two races, all the Adv Cruiser hull skills. As a Titan Pilot those are now useless. Many other skills I trained become trash as well.

I have DDO 4, Capital repair 4, capital Energy weapons 4, Capital remote Armor, Shield, energy and Hull 4 and I still don't feel right about logging in with an Avatar.

My Ideal Skills to get an Avatar Titan?

Capital Energy Turret 5
Capital Repair 5
DDO 5
Amarr Titan 5
Capital remote Armor 5
Capital Energy Transfer 5
Capital Shield transfer 5
Captal Remote Hull 4

All Leadership skills to 5

With all that and 49 or so other like minded people, Up side, Nobody will want to fight you. Down side, nobody will want to fight you.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Mr Pragmatic
#23 - 2012-11-06 19:48:25 UTC
PROS: YOU ARE A BADASS IN A GIANT DEATH MACHINE.

CONS:your ass will have taste buds.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.

Anosha de'Cavemann
Perkone
#24 - 2012-11-06 19:59:11 UTC
Andski wrote:
Vrexstus Mercana wrote:
Andski wrote:
Grapez wrote:
+ Ability to make the best low-sec gate camp


yes, please oh please camp a gate with a titan



Not suprised coming from a goonie.

i dont think people are that stupid...thats just asking for it


i'm serious, if anyone feels like camping a gate with their titan feel free to light me a cyno so my friends and I can join you



It's a trap!!!

EvE, it's all about tear managment.

Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-11-06 20:37:34 UTC
I was on the test server yesterday when 3 NC titans arrived and began shooting up the combat zones. Apparently, titans can insta-blap subcaps even with the capital-weapon penalties. Someone brought in a Revenant and it got blapped to. Shocked

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#26 - 2012-11-06 20:58:37 UTC
Eternal Montage wrote:
Well, like, what do they do? I'm still not clear on that


You're a mobile jump bridge, with lots of dumb riders, and no real upside...Cool

Signature removed - CCP Eterne

Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-11-06 21:11:33 UTC
TItans are generally helpful only to an alliance.

Ratting in one is a bad idea.
Flying one solo is a bad idea.
They cant be blap fit anymore, so no more solopwn.
Once it is known you have one, EVERYONE watchlists you.
Once you are watchlisted EVERYONE knows when you log on, people will find you.
When people find you, they will learn your habits.
You will eventually get trapped and killed.
You can never dock it, so your character is trapped unless you have a holder alt.
They are about 80-100bil to fully fit.
Their jump range sucks hard.
People will travel across the game map to get on your killmail.

Their use:
Bridging people to make traveling suck less.
Bridging people to hotdrop. Stops working after a while.
Dropping in large, supported gangs to destroy SOV infrastructure.

Like others have said, if you have to ask what to use them for, you do not need one.

The reasons are because they are one of the most specialized ships in the game. You don't just decide to fly a titan like you decide if you want to rat in a Raven or a Dominix. They are a massive investment and a great strategic asset. If you want to get one to derp around in solo then you are wasting your time, and will probably end up as a hilarious loss mail.
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-11-06 21:17:30 UTC
Titans sounded cool before I actually started playing this game. And when I realized what they were used for you COULD NOT EVEN AT GUN POINT make me train for that ******* space coffin, much less invest the time required to pay for it.

Delete titans from the game, introduce a cheaper, specialized ship or object that's just for strategic jumps, and re-work sov warfare so they aren't needed to shoot structures in a non-suicidal fashion. The game, especially null/sov warfare, will be better for it.
Natasha Liao
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-11-06 22:36:50 UTC
Pro: It makes your ePeen really, really B I G
Con: ... until you loose it...

You're using logic on an internet discussion forum. A rookie mistake, but one you'll soon learn to avoid. -Destiny Corrupted

Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#30 - 2012-11-06 22:45:41 UTC
Pyrion Flax's Guide to Playing Eve Online

"Make sure you train for a titan. That's really the biggest, bestest ship in the game. It looks like a giant penis, everyone will be impressed, girls will be attracted to you, that's pretty much it. And they're really cheap."

Who put the goat in there?

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-11-06 22:49:53 UTC
Eh.

Pro's

1. You can provide non covert hotdrops and quick travel to an entire fleet.

Con's

1. You will end up doing nothing but providing non covert hotdrops and quick travel to an entire fleet.

I guess if you have enough balls and a decent number of them you can blap a lot of capitals off grid.

Really even when they were all powerful I don't think I would have enjoyed flying a giant space coffin that literally dictates when I can and can't do things with my spaceship pilot.

Vrexstus Mercana
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-11-07 05:34:43 UTC
Looking at all ths cons it seems the cons outweigh the pros

Why put it in the game then?

Cant they make eh idk something like the Super star Destroryers from Star wars. its a stupid ideaa but something about that size and maybe half the power? or half the time to train?

I have no intentions on spending my entire EVE career on a titan lol

"You Exist because we allow it....And you will die because we demand it.."

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#33 - 2012-11-07 05:39:18 UTC
They're called Hurricanes.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#34 - 2012-11-07 06:11:59 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
They're called Hurricanes.

Nothing like a blob of hurricanes !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#35 - 2012-11-07 06:13:09 UTC
I miss welp fleet. Sad
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2012-11-07 06:28:43 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
I miss welp fleet. Sad

It's great against... Titans ^___^ (and supercarriers, of course)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2012-11-07 08:34:08 UTC
Vrexstus Mercana wrote:
Looking at all ths cons it seems the cons outweigh the pros

Why put it in the game then?

Cant they make eh idk something like the Super star Destroryers from Star wars. its a stupid ideaa but something about that size and maybe half the power? or half the time to train?

I have no intentions on spending my entire EVE career on a titan lol


You misunderstand their use I think.

You, or say you and your corp of 10 -20 guys probably wouldn't ever care about a titan.

Its pros are really only seen when invovled in alliance level operations where you have other titans as back up, along with a respectable cap and or supercap fleet around you.

In that case they provide the EVE equivilant of Air Superiority, hostile caps are subject to Doomsdays and Dread levels of DPS output from EACH titan, their huge hitpoints and Ewar immunities give them the ability to command fleets unmolested by the little things raging in the batlte around them. Thier portal allows for sub cap force projection in even hostil territory and they have a cavernous Ship Maintenance array that can move huge numbers of ships around with them ( I think I have about 35-40 ships in my titan right now).

The downside to all that is that when on your own you are sorely vulnerable. You can't really hurt subcaps much on your own after the changes earlier in the year, and that you are stuck inside that magnificent beast. They require huge amounts of fuel that your average small corp or solo player will never really comfortably be able to sustain (refuling my titan is about 700k isotopes, during a busy month that could be an order I put in once a week), and the fittings and implants they take to survive the hostile situations they get put in start at around 10 billion and go up from there.




When I first started I saw a picture of a Leviathan and plugged its skillpath into EVEmon....the result was around 2 years of skill training, and the loss of the alt i put in the titan for anything other than piloting the titan.

As a titan pilot I can promise you that you have time to think about what you're going to do to yourself, spend that time seeing the game, see if you like it and i f you could see yourself picking up a secondary alt that you would try to put in the titan, and then start the long uphill climb to amassing the 100ish billion you'll need for your purchase.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-11-07 23:47:35 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Pro side:

They fit multiple roles
Command Ship extreme
Structure Bashing with Titans isn't quite as cruel and unusual (even without the DDO)
They can run LOL Spider Logistics when you have several of them.
Jump Bridge

Down side
You can never leave it unless you train 2 Titan books.
Extreme ISK sink on your wallet.
Skills required to fly it right are unimaginable.
I have cruiser 5 in all 4 races, Battleship 5 in two races, all the Adv Cruiser hull skills. As a Titan Pilot those are now useless. Many other skills I trained become trash as well.

I have DDO 4, Capital repair 4, capital Energy weapons 4, Capital remote Armor, Shield, energy and Hull 4 and I still don't feel right about logging in with an Avatar.

My Ideal Skills to get an Avatar Titan?

Capital Energy Turret 5
Capital Repair 5
DDO 5
Amarr Titan 5
Capital remote Armor 5
Capital Energy Transfer 5
Capital Shield transfer 5
Captal Remote Hull 4

All Leadership skills to 5

With all that and 49 or so other like minded people, Up side, Nobody will want to fight you. Down side, nobody will want to fight you.


Yeah so uh why would you fit remote armor reps, cap transfers, shield reps or hull reps on a titan, a ship that has no range bonuses for any of those things and has no business doing any of that crap since one slip-up means 3 million damage mistakenly being applied to another ship in the fleet?

Also fyi you can't doomsday structures hth

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-11-07 23:52:07 UTC
Most expensive prison ever in Eve, like it or hate it, it's up to you.

You get a hidden skill up to lvl10 named "hypocrisy interfacing": ability to bridge whatever jerks knowing some are alts/spies just waiting the good moment to get your expensive pixels killed or see you jump instead of bridging just to mok you hard just like you deserve for being that stupid.

Awesome stuff is awesome.

brb

Vrexstus Mercana
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-11-08 00:18:10 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Vrexstus Mercana wrote:
Looking at all ths cons it seems the cons outweigh the pros

Why put it in the game then?

Cant they make eh idk something like the Super star Destroryers from Star wars. its a stupid ideaa but something about that size and maybe half the power? or half the time to train?

I have no intentions on spending my entire EVE career on a titan lol


You misunderstand their use I think.

You, or say you and your corp of 10 -20 guys probably wouldn't ever care about a titan.

Its pros are really only seen when invovled in alliance level operations where you have other titans as back up, along with a respectable cap and or supercap fleet around you.

In that case they provide the EVE equivilant of Air Superiority, hostile caps are subject to Doomsdays and Dread levels of DPS output from EACH titan, their huge hitpoints and Ewar immunities give them the ability to command fleets unmolested by the little things raging in the batlte around them. Thier portal allows for sub cap force projection in even hostil territory and they have a cavernous Ship Maintenance array that can move huge numbers of ships around with them ( I think I have about 35-40 ships in my titan right now).

The downside to all that is that when on your own you are sorely vulnerable. You can't really hurt subcaps much on your own after the changes earlier in the year, and that you are stuck inside that magnificent beast. They require huge amounts of fuel that your average small corp or solo player will never really comfortably be able to sustain (refuling my titan is about 700k isotopes, during a busy month that could be an order I put in once a week), and the fittings and implants they take to survive the hostile situations they get put in start at around 10 billion and go up from there.




When I first started I saw a picture of a Leviathan and plugged its skillpath into EVEmon....the result was around 2 years of skill training, and the loss of the alt i put in the titan for anything other than piloting the titan.

As a titan pilot I can promise you that you have time to think about what you're going to do to yourself, spend that time seeing the game, see if you like it and i f you could see yourself picking up a secondary alt that you would try to put in the titan, and then start the long uphill climb to amassing the 100ish billion you'll need for your purchase.



Well i do want to build my own corp soon so investing on this will eventuallly come but as of right now i think not

"You Exist because we allow it....And you will die because we demand it.."

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