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Fire Hellmar (not the community team)

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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#1 - 2011-10-19 22:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty McKitty
... and not the goddamned community team who are awesome at trying to damage control your constant upper managerial fuckups.

Yes I expect a forum ban for this but seriously take note that you are axing the few people that actually touched home well with the community.

While all of them deserve our respect for being figureheads and also facing the firing line on a regular basis. Special note goes out to CCP PANN who has been with us since beta (so 2002 at least).

I honestly dont understand how CCP management go from damage control, lets save face by communicating with our paying customers and FIXING stuff they need to DERP LETS FIRE THE COMMUNITY TEAM.

Utter nonsense and I hope you get your crap together soon because I am just completely disgusted.

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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#2 - 2011-10-19 22:06:50 UTC
Anyone that wants to support this please post stating so, I dont want to suggest +like farming so please post with yeah or nay before your post ♥

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-19 22:09:11 UTC
My other posts in other threads speak for themselves.

CCP Board needs to have a meeting like yesterday.

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Martinez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-10-19 22:11:53 UTC
I agree with this one. Unfortunately CEO normally get away free.
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-19 22:16:20 UTC
makes sense to me.
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#6 - 2011-10-19 22:17:54 UTC
from #tweetfleet

Quote:
An Open Letter to the Players of EVE Online

Heya guys,

Many of you know me as CCP Fallout, but to most people I’m just plain old Mist. If you are reading this, there is a good chance you already know that CCP has laid off approximately 20% of its workforce. I am one of the 20%.

For the last three years, I have been the associate community manager for EVE Online. I have had both the honor and the privilege to not only work with an absolutely amazing team, but extremely talented and passionate designers, programmers, QA, customer support and others who have brought, and continue to bring, EVE Online to life. My co-workers have, and I hope will continue to, inspire, educate, amuse, and drive me bat **** crazy. These people are extremely passionate about their work, and each of them is tremendously talented. It has always bugged me that players never truly got to see this side of EVE Online’s devs unless they went to Fanfest. When you speak face-to-face with someone at CCP about EVE Online, that’s not just some mask they are wearing for three days… EVE Online is something we love, something we want to grow, and something we are proud of. In this respect, EVE Online’s devs really are not that much different from players, even if I know you might not believe me when I say it.

And of course, none of this would happen without you, the players, the most amazingly insane bunch of space assholes (1, 2) ever to play an MMO ever. I have been so incredibly blessed to have had the privilege and honor of working for you all these years, and thank you for allowing me into your universe. Not a day has gone by where I wasn’t either amused or shocked by some of the crazy things you guys would come up with. Every day was an adventure; every day was an experience that I can’t ever forget. I am indebted to the EVE community teaching me both passion and humility, and for reminding me how important the voice of a community is during both the good and bad times.

So, what does the future bring for me? I’m not entirely sure. To be honest, I am a bit scared and concerned, but I am hopeful. I do realize that I am probably going to have to stop wearing pajamas all day, and introduce myself to some soap, but I am confident that things will be okay. And I wish the same thing for all of my friends who currently are on the same boat as I.

Please do fly safely. I’m going to go now, because I am starting to cry.

P.S. Yes, I know what’s coming into the game next. No, I will not tell you

1. You know I only mean this with love!
2. Also: haha, no blackfilter on my site!

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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#7 - 2011-10-19 22:20:25 UTC
From the mittani

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oh hey the playerbase is upset and unsubbing

let's fire the community team who are beloved and have the most contact with the playerbase

****

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XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#8 - 2011-10-19 22:21:35 UTC
I believe that doing this to the community team after years of damage control and being in the direct line of fire of everyone for managements mistakes will hurt the reputation of CCP more than any event to date and it will not be forgotten nor forgiven.

We see this bold move and dedication to EVE in name only now but it's spirit is already painted black. They are supposed to be fostering a new spirit of communication and want us to watch as they burn the only bridge they had down.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.

Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#9 - 2011-10-19 22:22:46 UTC
going to just link the place I am getting these quotes from but continue to post the ones that strike me as worthwhile...

http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?4155-ccp-focusing-on-the-eve-universe-a-ccp-announcement/page7

Quote:
My theory: CCP is dying. Evidence:

1. They just let go of 20% of their workforce, including some pretty key-sounding people (entire community team, databse wizards)
2. They felt the need include in this press release a lengthy section strenuously emphasising that Eve (and by extension CCP) is alive and well and doing roaring trade, yes sir! We must reassure our industry partners that we're not in any trouble at all!

The second of these is far more worrying.

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Darth A30NZ
Deep Axion
Honorable Third Party
#10 - 2011-10-19 22:24:34 UTC
Kitty McKitty wrote:
from #tweetfleet

Quote:
An Open Letter to the Players of EVE Online

Heya guys,

Many of you know me as CCP Fallout, but to most people I’m just plain old Mist. If you are reading this, there is a good chance you already know that CCP has laid off approximately 20% of its workforce. I am one of the 20%.

For the last three years, I have been the associate community manager for EVE Online. I have had both the honor and the privilege to not only work with an absolutely amazing team, but extremely talented and passionate designers, programmers, QA, customer support and others who have brought, and continue to bring, EVE Online to life. My co-workers have, and I hope will continue to, inspire, educate, amuse, and drive me bat **** crazy. These people are extremely passionate about their work, and each of them is tremendously talented. It has always bugged me that players never truly got to see this side of EVE Online’s devs unless they went to Fanfest. When you speak face-to-face with someone at CCP about EVE Online, that’s not just some mask they are wearing for three days… EVE Online is something we love, something we want to grow, and something we are proud of. In this respect, EVE Online’s devs really are not that much different from players, even if I know you might not believe me when I say it.

And of course, none of this would happen without you, the players, the most amazingly insane bunch of space assholes (1, 2) ever to play an MMO ever. I have been so incredibly blessed to have had the privilege and honor of working for you all these years, and thank you for allowing me into your universe. Not a day has gone by where I wasn’t either amused or shocked by some of the crazy things you guys would come up with. Every day was an adventure; every day was an experience that I can’t ever forget. I am indebted to the EVE community teaching me both passion and humility, and for reminding me how important the voice of a community is during both the good and bad times.

So, what does the future bring for me? I’m not entirely sure. To be honest, I am a bit scared and concerned, but I am hopeful. I do realize that I am probably going to have to stop wearing pajamas all day, and introduce myself to some soap, but I am confident that things will be okay. And I wish the same thing for all of my friends who currently are on the same boat as I.

Please do fly safely. I’m going to go now, because I am starting to cry.

P.S. Yes, I know what’s coming into the game next. No, I will not tell you

1. You know I only mean this with love!
2. Also: haha, no blackfilter on my site!



CCP Fallout for CEO, WTF are they thinking. lets work on FIS bring back ship spinning and FIRE people. Seriously CCP stop doing dumb things. kthxbye

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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#11 - 2011-10-19 22:25:31 UTC
[quoteGod dammit CCP. Punish the ******* people who put you in this mess.][/quote]

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WTF? Fire the community team?

If anyone on the Eve team should go it's whoever thought $70 monocles were a good idea, or bland virtual clothes should be sold for as much as real clothes. Also the person responsible for designing Incarna's gameplay, who has actually done nothing at all for 4 years.

What a ******* joke.


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Sucks that so many people have to pay for Hillmar's failure.

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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#12 - 2011-10-19 22:37:01 UTC
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There's no small amount of office politic and voice of dissent removal bullshit in this list. CCP is removing a fair few people who didn't get with the :awesome: program.


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I wonder how...if they are going to axe key members of their community management team who really were the glue that helped hold the community together and keep it on an even keel through many rough times...that CCP will now justify a need for and costs associated with CSM. If the staff reductions are cost-cutting measures, it will be kinda difficult. Three trips to Iceland for 9 people plus staff time plus incidental expenses like taking the CSM to dinner at fancy restaurants probably equates to at least one dev salary annually.

Edited to add: I just realized that while I've been tweeting and posting elsewhere about my sadness and dismay in response to CCP's news, I've not said anything here. Long story short, seen some names on the "20%" list that I think belong there; the rest are just sad and many seem to make no sense...and are in fact CCP shooting themselves in the foot. Or the ass. Or hell...a headshot for that matter. Also, while I for one would like certain members of the web cell or incarna team to be on that 20% list, the reality of internal politics and investment status protects some from such a fate. Ah well, as mentioned in other threads, one can hope that they are shuffled to a non-decision-making role or simply stay home and do "research" while collecting their salaries. Regardless, it's sad for folks to lose their jobs in this tough economy and I wish all of them the best in finding new positions and new adventures to pursue.

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[17:57:07] Verone > Noah Ward (CCP Hammerhead) just posted "I am the 20%" on his facebook

Ugh Hammerhead :((((((((( UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!

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Myxx
The Scope
#13 - 2011-10-19 22:37:53 UTC
i agree with this, in principal.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#14 - 2011-10-19 22:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
I'd blame the people who only saw bad things coming to Eve and unsubscribed. People who shot at the statue. People who thought that damned ship spinning disappearing was the end of everything. People who say I don't want walking in my flying spaceships game. People who think the NeX store is pure evil. The people who think lets hit them where it hurts and unsub their alts and wait to see something good happening before resubbing. You narrow minded bastards. The blame lies at your feet.

Anyone who unsubbed for a useless reason. Shallow people who only focus on a few little bad things. You've probably forgotten what makes Eve, Eve, or maybe you never realised. Well now we know just how much damage you can do to CCP. You might of thought we have to do something to make CCP fix the things we want.

Did you really want it to go this far?

Well you got what you wanted, and I hope you're happy!


disclaimer: I don't mind the ones who actually left cause their gameplay was affected too much for their liking. I'm not talking about anyone in this group.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-10-19 22:46:00 UTC
non judgement wrote:
I'd blame the people who only saw bad things coming to Eve and unsubscribed. People who shot at the statue. People who thought that damned ship spinning disappearing was the end of everything. People who say I don't want walking in my flying spaceships game. People who think the NeX store is pure evil. The people who think lets hit them where it hurts and unsub their alts and wait to see something good happening before resubbing. You narrow minded bastards. The blame lies at your feet.

Anyone who unsubbed for a useless reason. Shallow people who only focus on a few little bad things. You've probably forgotten what makes Eve, Eve, or maybe you never realised. Well now we know just how much damage you can do to CCP. You might of thought we have to do something to make CCP fix the things we want.

Did you really want it to go this far?

Well you got what you wanted, and I hope your happy!


disclaimer: I don't mind the ones who actually left cause their gameplay was affected too much for their liking. I'm not talking about anyone in this group.


No one wanted this.

But you are being asinine blaming the players for Hilmars boondoggle.

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Maekor Stormborn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-19 22:46:05 UTC
Agreed, Hillmar needs to go.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-10-19 22:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
We got ganked = double post for me!

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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#18 - 2011-10-19 22:50:03 UTC
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The art department that thinks 1 ship every 6 months is a reasonable level of output.

The Incarna project leadership that thinks that 1 room to be foreveralone in is a reasonable result for a 4 year project


[quoteVarious names that weren't in line with "team Awesome" are in the list of "20 percenters," some of them in Reykjavik.] [/quote]
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I feel sorry for quite a few of the people that I saw on the lists, especially Pann (we can strike the CCP I think).

She's an extremely cool duder and I absolutely don't understand the reasoning of CCP to cut basically the whole community staff that I have seen in my time (excluding those that were a goner before this).

What does this mean for CCP? Well, it doesn't look too shiny, that's for sure. If you have to roll out a statement like this after what has been 6 months of lolpress, **** has hit the fan. The expansion of staff has been extreme, though. I remember that I attended Fanfest 2009 and the numbers of staff that were thrown about back then was around 300. Today I've read current numbers well above 500, without any change in revenue whatsoever. If by some factors your revenue drops, your main cost factor will come and bite you in the arse.

I still can't be arsed to log into the game. So I hope to find this game still up and running when I get that shiver again and actually find the time in two or three years.

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I'm a mix of angry and sad right now. I don't see a light at the end of this tunnel. To me these actions are the actions of a dying company making a last wobble through the burnout belt to quote William Gibson. However, be that as it may, I'm resubbed right now and although I have next to no time to play, I am going to get as much out of this game as possible before it goes down.

Quote:
The thing about EVE's community devs is that they actually end up responding to a lot of questions that require some knowledge of the game...often the kind of knowledge that you only get from actually playing. That kind of specialized knowledge--plus first hand experience of the history of a community that many of them have--doesn't come with any degree but is really important to do an excellent job.

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Niraia
Starcakes
Cynosural Field Theory.
#19 - 2011-10-19 22:50:54 UTC
This is sad, and I agree in principle that management should have to suffer for such failures rather than workers, but I'm not sure that firing Hilmar is the best alternative. He's always seemed like a decent person to me, and his humble letter to the community earned more of my respect. What do most of us know about how he operates, short of what can be gathered from fanfest footage, devblogs, and second hand opinion? Is that enough to base such a strong opinion on? Do you think he might have any trusted managers offering him bad advice?

Web team should've been fired, anyway :p

Jalapeno Life Preserver
#20 - 2011-10-19 22:53:05 UTC
I don't have a lot of respect for CCP upper management. However, throughout the years I have seen copious amounts of warnings, suspension and bans from the community team. so...
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