Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My apologies then.

Me too but I think it is a smidge to close to the faster Bellicose in 2 roles.


As a Anti Frigate Ship painter aside the Bellicose has a full Drone Flight. Again as a HAM Ship the Bellicose has a full Drone Flight for Anti Frig Defense and about the same DPS.

Now the Caracal does have longer range HAM's which is okay and a clear advantage in the HM role. I would however like to see it get 10m3 more Drone Space / BW for the HAM Role distinguishing it as Higher DPS near as well defended as its EWAR counterpart with 4 light drones.

Absolutely I would. Sort of a Heavy Tanked HAM Painter Ship using Rabid Launchers and its Drones for a full Frigate Defense and EWAR Buff on a 25 Rage - 30 Faction -45km Javelin HAM fleet.

[Bellicose, Something like this.]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x4
Hornet EC-300 x4

Add in New Frigates with Webs and Scythe support and the New Cruisers are going to Rock for cheap fleets.

I would like it to look like this descending in increments of 10. Space / BW

Thorax 50/50
Omen 40/40
Stabber 30/20
Caracal 20/20

I would prefer even more that it descend by Bandwidth.

Thorax 75/50
Omen 40/40
Stabber 30/30
Caracal 20/20

Giving the Thorax a full set of Anti Cruiser Drones and a set of light Drones while not increasing the max DPS and giving it a full Gallente Drone and Drone utility advantage while the Vexor focuses Drone Dmg in addition to greater utility.

Also want the bonuses to look like so.

Stabber 5% Dmg / 7.5% Falloff
Omen 5% Dmg / 7.5% Optimal
Thorax 5% Dmg / 7.5% Tracking
Caracal 5% Rof / 10% Velocity

Stabber would not really need a 5th turret at this point but if it got one I would want a high slot moved to a low and the Falloff bonus decreased to 5% so it could not fit a Neut but could get a little extra range. Besides that 4 Guns and 2 Missiles would not be bad with a Drone Bay.

Speed

Stabber 260
Thorax 240
Omen 235
Caracal 230

Controlled Bursts Skill increased to 10% per level and all Amarr ships get real second bonuses.

That and Fozzie's just confirmed Armor Balance and these Cruisers would be perfect.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530




Not an official announcement but these statements make it clear it is a priority for at the latest the next release.

Read up a few mate, I'm in favor of giving the Stabber a 5th turret. My response you quoted is directed at a twit who only want more fittings on a Stabber while at the same time removing drones from the Thorax.

So read a bit more before calling me a hypocrite, sir.

-Oh goody... I was wondering when we'd get to the name calling. Way to go bringing the thread to a new level.

-Beyond the fact "it's Gallente" what was your argument for keeping the Thorax's drone bay when from a DPS stand point it doesn't need it? The only "fitting" I think the Stabber needs is the PG and CPU to fit a 5th turret. I'm all in favor of dropping the missile capability for the ship in favor of a small drone bay.

This is an important point. We shouldn't skimp on providing other turret slots just because of the focused role of a given ship. In many cases these slots allow us the ability to make our ships unique should we have a design plan to implement them. Even if it does not fit into the idea of maximizing out put - The utility provides a bonus in itself.

New players can fly the Rupture if they want to focus just on autocannons, it does pretty good without launchers.


But splitweapon setups have always be so incredibly Minmatar and awesome...When I started the game, the general consensus was that Minmatar was a "ok" race, but a race that required more skilltraining than others. The Typhoon (a great ship btw, Minmatar should have more of these not less) was always the pinnacle of this, featuring 4 guns, 4 launchers and the 125mm drone bay in unison.




Giving the Stabber a few drones and a reasonable bonus for its launchers would be a much better, much more unique approach to the problem, than just "meh another gun and some more damage boni", that's so Gallente/Amarr...

Oh there you are. Welcome back.

You can have your 5th Turret, but the fitting you need to give up for a drone bay is a bit of PG and some of your cap.

EDIT: @Meldorn Vaash - Sorry if i called you a name, it's wrong of me and I humbly appologise.

How did you even come to think off this? The only case where I can see this being beneficial is if it got a 50 m3 drone bay, which wouldn't make any sense! The ship would be even more useless than it is right now on TQ! (Ive gotten kills in a stabber, but believe me its hard.)
As mentioned earlier in the thread the stabber build currently on duality suffers from some very basic problems like having so great speed it spoils its own tracking (425mms with barrage really suck at tracking) and simply not living up to the capabilities of the other cruisers,