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CCP Focuses on EVE Universe - A CCP Announcement

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Jita Alt666
#381 - 2011-10-19 21:52:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
Firstly, this is an unexpected and interesting development. My comments here are merely from an addicted Eve Online player point of view:

Reducing excess staff to allow CCP to concentrate on the development of Eve Online is a sacrifice I am intellectually happy with. This decision process should have been made before it got to the point that real life individuals have lost their employment. For those individuals I feel sorry.

There has a been a "list of staff laid off" circulating on other forums (probably linked here earlier in thread - but I'm not reading all of this). I am worried that the individuals who feature on this list are individuals who have been strong advocates in the importance of communicating with the player base and largely have helped keep the keel on a very unsteady ship aligned.

To those individuals who (may) have lost their jobs and with whom I have sparred, debated, been warned for personally insulting etc etc; I wish you the best in whatever direction life takes you. I have thoroughly enjoyed the said sparring, debating and the excesses of my debates (even when escalated numerous times on numerous petitions Blink ). Good luck and to quote a phrase from my upbringing:

Ake! Ake! Kia Kaha E!
Midge Mo'yb
State War Academy
Caldari State
#382 - 2011-10-19 21:52:47 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
We are seeing some of EVE's community names going, but i dare to ask... does anyone who follows WoD and/or DUST development care to comment on the current state of the names over there that are going away as well?



it would be more prudent to ask Who isnt
Raid'En
#383 - 2011-10-19 21:55:16 UTC
if the staff going out is the one linked to WoD, why do we see names we know since a long time being part of it ? >_<
Myxx
The Scope
#384 - 2011-10-19 21:57:09 UTC
Raid'En wrote:
if the staff going out is the one linked to WoD, why do we see names we know since a long time being part of it ? >_<

Thats the fallacy of it. The cancers aren't being removed, just the people who gave a damn.
DJ Xaphod
Eve Radio Corporation
#385 - 2011-10-19 21:57:59 UTC
Angeliq wrote:
I don't care about those 20% soon to be ex-CCP employees. I pay CCP to play EVE Online, not WoD or Dust514 and I expect CCP to use my money in order to develop and improve EVE Online. It's not my fault those ppl are being fired, CCP went money hungry and got involved in other projects thinking they could use EVE money in order to develop more milking cows. Now don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with those ppl, I don't hate them or anything, I just DON'T CARE about them, I never wanted any of them in the first place, CCP should feel sorry for them, not me. Yes, those 20% might have no fault, but I just (yes, you guessed) don't care :)

It's actually good to see CCP finally coming back to EVE Online tho I don't really believe anything CCP says, cos you know... the truth is out there... behind all this smoke and PR stunts that surrounds the forums.

I'd agree, however at least a fair few of the people being layed off are EVE Online staff, so I don't believe CCP are coming back to EVE Online.

I'll believe what they do, not what they say, after all.

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Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#386 - 2011-10-19 21:59:09 UTC
Angeliq wrote:
I don't care about those 20% soon to be ex-CCP employees. I pay CCP to play EVE Online, not WoD or Dust514 and I expect CCP to use my money in order to develop and improve EVE Online. It's not my fault those ppl are being fired, CCP went money hungry and got involved in other projects thinking they could use EVE money in order to develop more milking cows. Now don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with those ppl, I don't hate them or anything, I just DON'T CARE about them, I never wanted any of them in the first place, CCP should feel sorry for them, not me. Yes, those 20% might have no fault, but I just (yes, you guessed) don't care :)

It's actually good to see CCP finally coming back to EVE Online tho I don't really believe anything CCP says, cos you know... the truth is out there... behind all this smoke and PR stunts that surrounds the forums.


The point of this thread was to make customers feel bad and responsible for those getting fired. This way, the customers would have to think twice before expressing their disappointments by canceling their Subs.
Basically the easiest way: Blame the others for your own faults, have a clean conscience. Keep dreaming of your greatness.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#387 - 2011-10-19 22:02:58 UTC
I'm not happy with this turn of events, not at all.

I understand the need to refocus.

I understand the need to downsize the staff directly involved in departments directly working on projects that are being scaled back.

I understand the fact that we do not know the particulars of why each individual was on that list.

I have a hard time understanding why 20% of the employees will be let go, many of whom seemingly have little (if anything) to do with the bad decisions that led to this situation... or with WOD specific development that is being curtailed.

We all know there were many bad strategic decisions made concerning the development and PR processes over the last year and 1/2.

Lack of planning the why instead of just the how to for Incarna.
Lack of expectation management.
Lack of perspective in formulating the pricing structure and destructability of NeX store items.
Lack of properly iterating on existing content due to improperly considered development priorities.
And many more.

If these people were at least in part responsible for those mistakes, I feel for them but I understand the necessity.

If these people are paying the price for other peoples mistakes, I'm not fine with it... and I would strongly suggest taking your period of reassessment to a whole new level. Otherwise, this situation will inevitably arise again.

And if I ever... ever... find out that some of these people were let go due to internal political reasons or because they stepped on someones toes/embarrased them pointing out things that have proven to be correct, I'm out. Period.

I have never threatened to leave before, but rest assured, that would do it.

I'll bow out of the thread now and let the forum maggots that have suddenly reappeared just in time to infect this wound to revel in CCP's misery.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#388 - 2011-10-19 22:08:12 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Maybe the 20% fired can go work for Perpetuum or Guild Wars 2 or SWTOR :)

Because that is where WE are all going :)


Im not going to SWTOR
thats just talking WoW

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#389 - 2011-10-19 22:10:37 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
Today it was my solemn duty to post an announcement from CCP. You can read that announcement here.

Please keep your discussion of the announcement to this thread if possible, and understand that this and the days in the future are going to be very difficult for those at CCP. We stand behind our decisions and trust that it will ultimately bring you, the EVE community, a better game.


First of all, my condolences to those that lost their jobs. In an uncertain economy, that's a scary and dicey situation to be in, and I hope you can survive what is quite probably going to be a very rough few weeks.

CCP:
I
I'm glad to see you stick by your guns. You're obviously confident that you're on the right track; I've never been in your shoes, so I can't comment one way or the other. I do, however, couch this praise in a word of caution:

Your players are watching you.

Your players are also very cautious. You've been through some rough patches of late -- the Hilmar debacle, the only semi-successful launch of Incarna, and this unexpected round of layoffs. We've stuck with you, for the most part. We've shared your pain, and cheered at your successes.

The recent shakeups, both in public and those undoubtably going on behind-the-scenes, have us extremely worried. Most of us are crossing our fingers that this isn't a forewarning of something worse coming down the pipe.

We want to see CCP succeed, because that means that EvE itself will succeed. We're scared, though, that EvE and CCP are going in a direction where we can't follow. You've done a lot to restore confidence -- Hilmar's apology, the more open communication that's come out of it, and the new, more tightly-focused game-plan for EvE's future were all good things to happen.

But we are watching you, CCP, and we hope you're watching us in return. These next few months may just tell the tale: EvE will either continue to become the most immersive online experience ever created, or it will stumble into obscurity when one too many mistakes are finally made.

I pray for the former -- and in fear, I prepare for the latter.

Fly safe.

Astrid.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Elhazzared
Black Flag Crew
#390 - 2011-10-19 22:10:40 UTC
If CCP really wants to focus on EVE and actually do something right to make up for everything they have been doing wrong it's rather simple. Stop making players play the way you want!

First about 0.0, it's time to clean up the mess you've done with the in the matter of havens and sanctums. As CCP clearly saw, it does not promote wars for good places, it only makes space bellow 0.5 worthless which is the great majority of 0.0

Second, don't go ahead with the plans for the new interaction. Handing control of the customs office to the players is only going to ever do one thing, put them in control of large alliances giving more money to those who already have a lot and less to those who don't. it will also make PI in high sec worse.

Third about PI as well. Stop the depletion on planets and effectivily imput a restriction to were players can suck resources from so they don't do on top of eachother. it's about time that PI is actually worth a thing like it was in the beggining.

Fourth, Don't even dream about going foward with the plans for building T2 stuff only in 0.0 and so on. With this you're only getting people to give up, not moving them to 0.0, in fact we pay this game to have fun and if a player doesn't wants to go to 0.0, CCP has no right to tell them to.

That is a good begging for CCP to make amends and start focusing on what's important. CCP should not promote only 0.0 and PVP, CCP should promote a game with various aspects and each and everyone of them should be as profitable and as fun as the rest of them, not make people just do what you want which is lose ships and ISK in hopes people will be buying more plexs to make you more money. It's only CCPs delusion that makes them think like that, it never happened and it never will. So stop this trend or you'll just keep losing players like you have.
Rip Wash
FISKL GUARDS
#391 - 2011-10-19 22:10:51 UTC
My sympathies to all the White Wolf alumni who are now looking for work. I have been a fan for a long time.

That said It looks like all the complains for "vampires sucking the life from eve" were on to something.
WoD MMO seems to be in more of a back of the napkin design /tech demo/skunkworx project stage from what I have seen. To force EVE players to beta test the tech was a terrible decision, and I am glad CCP reversed it.
Michael Turate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#392 - 2011-10-19 22:15:38 UTC
My profound sympathies go out to those who will lose their jobs and my thoughts are with the families of those who will be made redundant. I lost my job as a result of the UK recession and unemployment at this time will be a hard road to tread for all concerned.

The company should be applauded for coming back from the brink, everything could have been lost but now there is genuine hope for the future. Eve can be great again, CCP can be a strong company again, the partnerships between the players and the business can be rebuilt. Future sucess for the company and the playerbase will be doubly sweet in view of how close things came to disaster.

BUT, all we (the players) would have lost is a computer game. The facts are now apparent that real people will lose their jobs and their livelihoods. I sincerly hope the lessons have been learnt because they have come at some considerable cost.

Klingon Admiral
Carcinisation
#393 - 2011-10-19 22:18:00 UTC
Well I wonder how CCP wants to regain contact with the community after pretty much nuking the comunity-team ...
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#394 - 2011-10-19 22:18:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
you don't get replaced by a very small shell script anymore


You get replaced by a very small chinaman... cheaper than a script. (Since behind that small shell script is an overweight underskilled psuedo-engineer developer that eats too many bananas).
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#395 - 2011-10-19 22:20:37 UTC
Michael Turate wrote:

BUT, all we (the players) would have lost is a computer game. The facts are now apparent that real people will lose their jobs and their livelihoods. I sincerly hope the lessons have been learnt because they have come at some considerable cost.



Yes, let us all hope their ex-CEO has learned the lesson.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#396 - 2011-10-19 22:20:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Personally I think it very odd for a company that previoulsy have shown that their management suck balls in communicating with their players, to fire off virtually their entire community team.....The same departement i might add, that also includes CSM.

Zymurgist and Fallout have allready posted their farewells. In the current climate, I certainly dont think this is the brightest move in the world.
Angeliq
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#397 - 2011-10-19 22:20:55 UTC
Maybe Hilmar wants to get rid of all those ppl that disagreed with him in the past so he can stay the course. I keep getting the feeling I'm being buIIsh!ted... I still find a lot of PR work and public speech schemes and patterns in those threads and I can't help thinking that I'm being manipulated. I would appreciate the naked truth, but meh, I know you (as a company) can't do that so if EVE turns into the game experience I want, I'll just go with it, but if some day I'll wake up and realize that EVE is no longer EVE, I'll just say Fawk You CCP for the last time and be done with it.

wow much space very ship such pvp many pew

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#398 - 2011-10-19 22:22:12 UTC
We were ganked

Ironic really that that web page came up :)
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#399 - 2011-10-19 22:22:43 UTC
Is the CSM fired yet? :)

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
#400 - 2011-10-19 22:25:00 UTC
Several months ago, even before the Incarna debacle, I trotted out one of the oldest known precepts of successful software project management.

"Do not encourage failure."

If a programmer is assigned a particular black box to program, and fails, you have two options.

Option 1, Assign something simpler and give him/her another chance, but only one.

Option 2, if you are on a budget, get rid of that programmer.

Same goes for project managers. If they can't do the job, you can't afford them.

Based on recent issues, I see Eve as a very large bucket of spaghetti code, loosely held together by emergency repairs.

Competent management would never have let it happen in the first place.

Sure, I'm sorry that some people have lost their jobs, but it appears to me that there are probably quite a few who should have lost their jobs a long time ago.

For the programmers, and project managers, if there were any, if you can't even meet CCP's low standards, you should really consider another line of work.

I like this game. It's the only one I play, and I will continue to play it as long as I can stand to. But the parts of it that I play haven't improved a bit in two years. During that time I've paid enough in monthly fees to buy a car.

What I really wish? No changes at all, except fixes, for at least a year. A year isn't long enough to fix all the things that are screwed up already, but it might get CCP back to a good starting point for other necessary fixes.