EVE General Discussion

All great replies and indeed keep them coming, this post especially cool!!

Malcanis wrote:
EVE permits every form of in-game villainy. But bringing in real life conflicts and bigotry is, as should be obvious, a no-no. In short: my character can do anything that he can get away with to your character (and vice-versa, of course). But there are very strict limits on what I can do to you. CCP's rules aren't there to make us play nice characters, only to be nice people.

The important distinction is that if I scam you out of everything in game, then you can escape the consequences of that by simply closing the client: Poof! Your losses - and my "crime" - are now as meaningless as losing a piece in a game of checkers. But I think you'll agree that anyone who started spewing racial epithets or making real life threats because he lost a piece in a game of checkers had failed to understand something very important about playing competitive games.

May I perhaps ask a question then that requires a little more thought.

Obviously what a phrase means to one isn't the same for another. I am the type of guy that laughs things off, very rarely does something bother me properly.

How does CCP define what crosses the line? If someone said to me in game "your an absolute spastic, your face resembles melted cheese and you have no d|ck" I would laugh and do nothing.

Perhaps there's a player who was unfortunate and was in a house fire at some point yet saved his family. He had to have his penis removed due to severe burns. An absolute hero but CCP would treat this petition the same as any other when I feel that it requires a permanent ban even thought the offended player wouldn't have known these details.

I want to know how CCP deal with these situations.

Back to the scamming..

Im always thinking about this kind of stuff so theres always opinions on this kind of thing and I really feel that scamming new players is out of order. New players should have some form of "shield" to protect from scammers etc.

Imagine...

New player, plays Eve really hard for the first month....hes hooked! He has enough ISK for a plex -

"WOW I earned enough to play for free" he thinks...

He goes to buy a plex - WTH theres one here for just 380 million.......DAMN only the 1 left....BUY BUY BUY

he is then bemused,,,,,,"I dont understand he thinks" then it dawns on him...

He fell for the plex scam!!

For a new player that is a huge kick in the balls, and I think this would and does indeed drive players away.

Its this sort of thing that needs looking at.

ALSO CCP the BOTS in Jita just keep reoccuring....do something about it?

Someone always is.

Huh? But I thought EVE was the land of Rainbows and Chocolate Covered Unicorns (which are both delicious and nutritious) where we all join hands in trust and solidarity and sing happy happy folks songs about how we never fight with each other and share everything.

You're telling me it's not? Now im going to have to change every single fit I got (taking off the rainbow and candy launchers) so I too can be a capitalist/Imperialist space pirate. Anyone making a Jita run soon?

:) :)

so bottom line is when i ever get scammed (*giggles* as if) i can throw insults at the offender when it comes from my ingame character.

so i can tell them where exactly my character would penetrate theirs and how and after all that carnage i would seek out his ingame family to destroy them? of course only ingame :)

just kidding. i find it quite ok that offensive language isn't tollerated in eve BUT i also find that a scammer who petitions a victim after receiving some hate messages is a big hypocrit.

mind you! not like "i kill you" but like "you must be a real ******* in real life and have probably a little *peep* and that's why you play so much eve". you know, the standard tells)

in my opinion the victim of a scam is still a victim be it because of stupidity, lazyness or just not knowing how game mechanics work. and it's not fair to say things like "100% self inflicted loss". that shows some guilt right here if you have to think in that way.

scammers are bad, mmmkay? a really empathic person in real life could not become an ashole in game, just not possible when you know you have real people in there... now if you have the mindset of an ashole in real life like 98% of the rest, then yeah, that would not be a problem.

definition of an empathic person: playing fallout 3 on bad (forced) but still feeling some kind of guilt when doing stuff you wouldn't do normaly like when you have to trick a small girl out of their hiding spot to give them to slavers... WHY, WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME BETHESDA?????????

This is why you and me didn't get along in your postings in the missions and complexes section, because you largely just don't "get" it.

CCP makes the rules (in other words, CCPs opinion on where to draw the behavior lines is the ON, abide by them or GTFO.

No, if I play a game, and adhere to the rules of that game, I see no reason why some other player should question my RL personality nor the size and/or function of my reproductional organs.


No, scammers are playing a role in a roleplaying game.



Actually, a really empathic person in real life might very well vent her/his/its frustration over their un-empathic real life surroundings by role playing an absolute sphincter ani externus in the game.

Even sandboxes have boundaries. That is why it is called a sand-box.

Being a specific sex or race is not an opinion. To many of us and CCP they are ignorant thoughts of supremacy giving a specific values on what you are, not who you are. Anyone can be a a-hole, or a angel. Sex, race, religion has no bearing on it. Specially the last one, as with people there are "good" and "bad" sects in personal view to everything.
Labeling a questionable position to one group as simply "opinion" does not make it okay. Its the social acceptance of that position. For some groups sexism and racism may be tolerated or encouraged, but CCP runs this boat and your going to get keelhauled going against their codes of conduct. Their views as the organization who owns and operates this service don't need to be followed, as you can simply not log on if you don't accept them.
Know your audience and the social opinions of those you choose to hang out with. Here, it is not acceptable.

Possibly so considering the *********

And there it is, right there.

These things are forbidden because they don't make sense. They're purely and needlessly hurtful. 99.999% of the things that are described as "********," in one version or another, are nothing that someone with one of a certain set of diseases would actually do. It's demeaning an entire demographic by using their congenital condition as a perjorative.

Tear extraction is an interesting case, because while it is always directed at the person, it is also only effective if the target is a poor sport, i.e., if they reject EVE's social contract. I don't think it helps anything, to be honest, but to use a tabletop analogy, what do you do with the guy who bawls and pitches a huge fit because he got a bad roll and his character died?