Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When can my space ship sensor panel up and running, i'm tired of beating on the damn thing to get something worth a damn to display being some what realistic, and all i keep getting is static, some numbers... Really come on get with the times, i feel like i'm flying something built and designed back on Earth itself o.O is this not suppose to be NEW Eden?!?!

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Ill be honest, I havent read the whole thread, but heres my take on it.

I like the idea of 'sonar in space'. I think that it opens some possibilities that haven't previously been available.

Passive - Pings increase and decrease in their spacing dependant on D-scan range setting, giving more accurate readouts at closer ranges. Various objects can be picked up depending on the D-scan/overview settings. Ping time could also be decreased by the appropriate sensor skill

Active - Perhaps a good role for an active module. During activation, replaces passive radar output with active output. 3 second cycle, 1 ping per cycle. Low to medium activation cost. Very close range, 20km +7.5% per level in appropriate sensor skill, (max being 27.5km.) Capable of detecting the presence of a cloaked vessel, (not its identity, size or designation, just its prescence and approximate direction and distance.) The downside of active pinging is massively increased signature radius as well as an obvious audio/visual output, (the sneaky T3 stalking you will be able to see and hear your active pinging effort, not to mention that you will be lit up like a Christmas tree.)

(This active range would allow an opportunity to get advance warning of close up stalkers, as well as nail afk cloakers if you know their safespot. Even has potential for interupting cloakers at gates.

Also, maybe have the radar show up in a colour appropriate to the ships racial alignment.

Every other "NERF AFK CLAOKING TOO OP BLAH BLAH BLAH" thread I've read I have been against the ability to detect cloaking in any form. But this seems pretty cool, interesting, innovative and has a suitable downside. If there was ever going to be a way to spot cloakers, this is the only way I can see it being even remotely viable.

I do understand the rudimentary laws of physics, including no sound in a vacuum. It was meant as an analogy. Energy waves seem the most likely candidate, totally with you on that one.

You gave me an idea though. It's probably come up before, but how about removing cloakers from local? Not only could no-one tell if they were there, but they can't see anyone else either. Cloaky Intel gathering would be a lot harder.

This would be terrible for w-space. See, for example, how to hunt in w-space using d-scan. Passive d-scan would not offer enough information to hunt a target, and any active ping would immediately reveal your presence.

Yes, it is possible to use probes, but the whole concept revolves around using d-scan to know where to put your probes so that they are visible for as short a time as possible.

This active/passive radar would fundamentally change w-space for the poorer.

I think my take on the passive/active radar would still work well with W-Space. I suggest the passive radar be used in conjuction with the overview, giving a 3D readout of the overview. I would give the passive radar a range of about 1,000km, roughly double the size of a grid

I would keep the current D-scan as well, it is a radar in its own right, (it just cannot tell you where someone is without a lot of leg work.

Posting here cause you dropped by my suggestion.

I completely agree dscan needs a rework and this seems like a reasonable direction to take it.

I just wanted something that could be put in the game now rather than something that may require an entire production cycle to sort out.

Bumping for Intel tool reference

Suggesting an effort needs to be made is the first step.

I see it being taken for granted too much that local is not only the proper source for intel, but that the counter being used needs to be nerfed so the more risk averse can operate in a less stressful environment.

That's about one step away from needing to ask permission before engaging in PvP, since local can reliably be used to avoid unwanted fights. If only those AFK cloaked vessels would stop messing it up...

The simple fix to this issue of "zomg my cloaking ship can't gather all the intel and be completely safe doing it!" is just to exploit that we already have ships that are specifically designed to be sensor platforms.

Anathemas, Helioses, Buzzards and Cheetahs are all specialized T2 ships that are designed to be scanning platforms. All they'd need is a role bonus or similar that'd enable them to gather intelligence via their sensors and not negatively impact their cloaks.

To the OP, this idea is fantastic. I've been wondering what sort of changes will be made to local to lower its position as a huge crutch that doesn't really require people to use their brains and intel networks. I mean, in wormhole space, we deal with the lack of information in local all the time, and we still get good fights and have intel about our surroundings.

edit: also to the OP, I abhor people who bump their own threads. If people care about what you posted or what you have to say, then your thread will live on organically without you having the need to bump it.

Everyone resists change, otherwise life would be chaos.

I wouldn't say that WH pilots are better (well, a little bit, they just have different skills/mentalities/habits). What they have done is chosen a different experience- that's the beauty of EVE, you're offered that choice, rather than having some twerps believing that a certain form of gameplay is superior and should be forced on everyone.

One of the biggest aspects of EVE is attention- as you get deeper into EVE, the game requires more and more attention for you to survive. In hisec, you can get away with watching local while at war, and maybe d-scan while in expensive ships. In lowsec and nullsec, local becomes more important, intel channels start to play a part, and d-scan can be more useful in dealing with situations. Finally, in w-space, d-scan and a good, friendly gang become the only tools in your disposal.

W-space is a very intensive and often draining form of gameplay. Some people burn out or bore of all the scanning and probing involved and will take breaks. Nullsec is the same, some people need to retreat to hisec for a gentler experience. There's nothing wrong with that, if anything it's a quality of EVE. There is some shame in that some people are so attached to their safety-net that they never explore beyond it, and they already have to enjoy general derision by the greater community for that activity, but ultimately they pay subscription and help keep the game afloat, so they will always be catered to by people who do understand that EVE is not a one-note game and has a lot of things for an arrangement of people with different tastes and attitudes. People who think that great features like not having local in w-space should be homogenised across null or all of EVE are just totally missing the point.

EVE isn't broken like this. Your attitude is the problem. You do have good and interesting ideas, and by all means, go out there, implement them, see if they make for an interesting game. However, EVE is not your playground and your idea is far too complex and untested for the EVE community to be your test guinea pig for something that might not even work, and it's a joke that you think that such a radical change might get lifted out from the forums, let alone occur at all.

There are some pitfalls with your idea that would be worth discussion, but not inside the context of trying to unnecessarily wedge them into EVE.