EVE General Discussion

Scamming is God's Work. It separates fools from their money, so that the old adage "A fool and his money are soon parted" becomes true. Absolutely no one is forced into a scam. They walk into it voluntarily - often blinded by their own greed (wow this is cheap what a deal this guy is an idiot he doesn't know what this item is worth). Most scams can easily be avoided by just reading properly.

Therefore scamming is also education. In exchange for a tuition fee, you are teaching these individuals the importance of paying attention to their contracts.

All great posts...

I just think if scamming is allowed, everything should be allowed. [ I did not get scammed - check my contracts :P ]

If your prepared to scam someone, you should also be as well prepared for verbal abuse. In my books, its relatively the same thing.

CCP imho should protect every player from scams as they do from all kinds of written or verbal abuse.

We have to look upon the general public, there are players who have some forms of mental health issues. Being scammed due to their condition. Perhaps concentration issues? just an example.

The scammer comes away feeling great for lining his pockets with isk, unknowingly scammed someone who has poor health conditions.

Is that not in some way as bad as verbal abuse?

Then unfortunately you're in the wrong game. This is an extremely hostile environment for someone who can't properly distinguish between in-game actions and out of game actions.

CCP shouldn't protect players from scams, any more than Hasbro should protect players from landing on Mayfair when I have a full set of Hotels on it and Park Lane. Scamming (along with piracy, theft, extortion, assassination, espionage, black propoganda, cartels and so on) is explicitly part of the game. Racial abuse and threats are not only explicitly not part of the game, they're simply illegal in many jurisdictions.

Your argument could be recast as "Well if people are going to tackle me while I'm playing football, then they have to expect that I'll key their car after the game is over. The Referee should protect me from being tackled!" Or how about "Hey that guy tricked me into thinking he had a crappy Poker hand so that I'd bet more of my money!".

You have several options regarding scams:

(1) Be very careful when accepting contracts or buying from the market at an immediate profit, especially ones where you think you're taking advantage of the guy who set it up.

(2) Decide it's less effort to laugh it off and make the money back (this is a legitimate choice, especially if you do your purchasing with an alt to whom you only give the minimum required ISK and assets, essentially "firewalling" your wallet)

(3) Play another game where scamming isn't allowed.

Hoping that CCP will delete a legitimate PvP profession in a game that explicitly advertised as cut-throat and ruthless is a waste of your time and effort, since it's not going to happen. In short, you can either own it, deal with it or leave.

Scam "victims" (although I use that term lightly since the damage is 100% self inflicted) are unable to accept the reality of the situation - namely, that through laziness, omission or lack of due dilligence they have become prey to a scam. Since these people have a distorted self image, living in a world where they are completely at the center, in charge, and capable of doing no wrong, having to face the fact that their world-view conflicts with reality is a source of frustration for them.

This is both good and bad. These people are the ones least likely to learn from their mistakes and most likely to fall "victim" to another scam, or even the same scam because after all it was YOUR fault not theirs. The bad part is that you have to put up with their little tirades.

This is by far the best post I have EVER seen on these forums.

You sir, understand EVE to its black hearted, capitalist, dog eat dog core, with an awesome separation between in game and out of game actions.

I can only echo this post.

The thing is, that whether or not we admit to it, the beauty of EVE is that every single one of us is a roleplayer.

When you log in, you play the role of a Capsuleer, regardless of what your motives are. True, there is a distinction between those who simply play the game and those who choose to immerse themselves in EVE's setting and backstory, but the end result is the same.

We're all playing a role, and are fleshing out our own histories and storylines, whatever they may be.

Scamming, playing the con man, the pirate or rip off merchant are all parts of the sandbox game play that makes EVE stand out with such a rich and colourful history. Understanding that this is an IN GAME action and in no way reflects on the player behind the character is the first step to mentally surviving the morality black hole that is New Eden.

When you log in, you may type in your username and password with the hands of a Doctor, a Lawyer, a Soldier or a Cop, but once that little bar counts up and you click on your character's Avatar, the gloves are off and you're immersed in a hyper-capitalistic kill or be killed setting based thousands of years into our future.

Separating in game actions from a player's out of game persona is one of the most important things in EVE Online.

Back in the early days of being a player I can remember being ripped off by a real life friend for 8,000,000,000 ISK. This was back when 8 billion was more money than anyone knew what to do with. I was madder than hell until I logged out of the game. Then we met up at the pub, had a beer and laughed about it as old friends.

Years later when he thought he was clear, I betrayed his trust in return, ganked his pride and joy Raven Navy Issue and got best part of my money back in loot. To add to the sting, I nailed his pod and wrecked his high grade crystal set.

We still laugh about it to this day on the rare occasion we see each other given I now live in Iceland, but despite in game actions we've always been more than happy out of game to spot eachother a little cash if needed, or borrow eachother's cars.

I'll be a 10 year veteran of EVE on May 14th 2013. I've been to countless player gatherings, hosted more of them than I can honestly remember, and have had the pleasure of being an attendee at 6 Fanfests.

If there's one thing I've learned that's the most important thing in all those years after meeting quite literally thousands of EVE players, it's that the key to success in New Eden is making that divide between player and character, and understanding the social fabric of EVE's community.

No amount of skillpoints or ISK can compensate for that.

It's refreshing to see the number of people who are saying that vile, hateful language isn't OK. That sort of stuff is the #1 thing I've found dismaying about being online in general. I know people think they're being ironically clever by resorting to the worst, least intelligent, most base form of insult they can think of, but it's really just the worst.

Not to mention that when you want to rip on someone, then being polite, informative and indirect is a far better way of conveying freezing contempt.

can you then atleast make sure all your GM s read the same manual

because sexual and racial insults directed to people on a personal level don't belong in this game nor do the belong anywhere

CCP should change their rating to M for mature so players can be allowed to swear at eachother and be a-holes without being afraid of being banned

will only be abused ,racial bigotry, anti semitisme , to name some have no place in our game
i do not want to sound political correct , because i am not , but insults like that are plain evil and serve no purpose at all except to badly hurt people mentally