EVE General Discussion

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Easier to just show you. Implants aren't visible, so those are just the base stats for the Remap you see. It's not working as well for me as I'd like, but as I mentioned, I tend to Remap for optimal or best training times. This time however, I expected I would need to train more within a year than just a specific subset of skills.

This allows me to train Spaceship Command, Navigation, and Gunnery and Missiles relatively effectively. It is kind of substandard for Drones I think, but can be used to train them a little at least. Needless to say, I believe my next remap will be a little more focused, and likely directed at drones.

I can only reiterate what people have already said. What you can actually do matters a whole lot more than the SP you have, and while there is a connection between the two, it's not nearly as strong as one might except. At any one time, our 100M+ SP characters might only “use” a total of 20M or 10M of those skillpoints, and they may be as misapplied as with anyone else.

Likewise, a good way to get tons of SP but little ability is to go for all-V skills — with the exception of maybe the first two levels (I don't have the numbers in my head), each new skill level takes over 5× longer than all the previous levels combined. This means that, instead of training one skill to V, you can train five similar skills to lvl IV in the same time. Now combine this with how skill bonuses work and the fact that the improvement you see from additional level decreases, and you get a really interesting situation. Instead of taking that one skill to V and get a 25% bonus instead of “only” 20% (an actual increase on the whole of only 4% rather), you could train five support skills to IV and get their combined 20% bonuses. If they're the right skills, you're now looking at ~150% worth of combined bonuses (we'll skip the details about how they might not interact exactly in that way for now ) rather than a measly 4%.

Yes, occasionally, you'll want that fifth skill level because it's such a fundamental skill that works with every ship you'll ever going to fly (this are often referred to as the “core” skills since they are required for the “core competence” certification, and they're cheap enough that lvl V doesn't hurt that much anyway), because they opens up new equipment (notably T2 versions of weapons and ships), or on very few occasions because the bonus is just that good… but overall, those are the exeptions.

The two SP-related matters you will run into at some point or another are corp requirements and “catching up”. The first one is rather easy: every now and then, corps will set minimum-SP requirements to join them. What they're measuring there is not your skills but rather the time you've spent in the game, because that is almost the only thing total SP will tell you — how long have you been playing (the only other thing is that it tells you how expensive it is to lose a pod…). If they're looking for someone with 15M SP, what they're saying is that they're after people who've been in the game for almost a year and who presumably know enough to earn their own ISK and know how to fit a ship and so on. In these cases, you can often join anyway if you demonstrate enough knowledge about the game. …and if that doesn't sway them, chances are they're a bit clueless themselves and you might want to stay clear of them anyway.

The other matter is the notion of “catching up”. The answer for this is also easy, but the reasoning behind is a bit harder. In short: “catching up” is not an applicable concept in EVE. There is exactly one thing you can't easily catch up with, and that is total SP (note the word “easily” — it's still possible, but it requires mistakes on their part), and as already noted, total SP is a meaningless stat. In every other respect, catching up is not only possible, but inevitable. Should you go for that fifth skill level, you have “caught up” with everyone in the game, forever, and even surpassed many of them. Older players may have a bit more versatility, but there will always be gaps in their training — something they can't do with full efficiency — hell, even the character with the most SP in the game only has half the total available SP. And even without talking about gaps, we come back to that thing about only using 10–20M SP at any one time… if those turn out to be the wrong SP for the occasion (e.g. they're using their SP in flying industrials and you turn up in a battleship), it doesn't matter what else they can do. Last but not least, there is the ultimate equaliser: numbers. Even if that older character is in the exact right ship and can squeeze the absolute maximum out of his skills, there is only one of him and his perfect skills will only carry him that far. 10 people with 1M SP can make mince-meat out of 1 person with 20M SP.

In my signature, I've linked an old guide to how to get a surprising amount of utility out of your first month or so of training by not falling into the classic trap of focusing on skill levels rather than actual usefulness. Beyond what's written there, everything else is much the same only on a different scale.

this and with the right attitude , you will have plenty of offers
remember patience is a virtue skillpoints will come quicky and before you know it you break the 10 mil then the 20 mil etc

but most of all fly sexy

The way to increase your SP faster is to not care about the progress at all (once you have set your attributes properly).

Sure, but than the question has to be asked "does he want to be a scout?". Usually if you want a bomber it's because you want to blow stuff up not be the frontline scout who won't be able to shoot because his tank is made of glass and unless you're in a bomber fleet you'll mostly get popped in seconds after you uncloak. But if he doesn't mind being a scout than sure why not. But let's also not forget in EVE you need isks to fund your pvp and unless you're in FW an SB won't get you much iskies (unlike BC's/BS's) and since SB's aren't particularily cheap (for newbies) the isk is needed (in contrast to someone who just throws rifters at the enemy's face)

That's why i prefer to start with mainstream ships and than specialize in a niche category you like.

Skill points are what tells a corp if your in eve to stay or
Just passing through while your waiting for the next wow expansion.

I personally have a 5 mill sp requirement for exactly this reason
I know from experience that eve is good place to discover
Who is a rage quitter or not.


I dont mind new players!! What i do mind is part time players with
No ingame ambition that have zero interest in a much larger picture
Than their minds are able to create, eve is team sport, its a
Long haul game that requires a substantial time investment.

You need to put the time in to skill up and learn, on average
You will get about 1 mill sp per month with core skills at lvl 4


With implants and lvl 5 skills you can get around 1.3 mill sp a month maybe more.


Takes years to accumulate 10's of millions

Hey guys, OP hates you all. I'll just leave this here.

How exactly does asking about skillpoints make me a troll?

You can be useful to an alliance as soon as you adopt the mindset of: I am willing to learn. I am willing to follow directions. I am willing to lose ships.

Anyone who demands anything more is either scamming you, or taking the game way too seriously.

You'll see minimum skill point requirements as a guide to show that you know the basics of a game. They want 5 mil or whatever so that when they say "Fit a fast tackler for the roam tomorrow" you know what all those words mean.

Welcome to EVE, and good hunting OP.

OP more sp does not mean better.Not in pvp and not in pve , it just means you got more ''options'' to choose from then someone with low SP.



Nothing more nothing less , take this from someone with 111 M SP.