Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While I agree with the assessment. I think of the hurricane or cyclone as the next step beyond the Stabber.

Yet you want to remove Drones from 3 of the Cruisers and keep one. Apparently if you are second in Drones you don't get any.

Cruisers do not need a nerf to their Drones and the current Stabber rebalance is still terrible in general.

Yes to the first in relation to Cruiser sized ships, but no to the second one.

I am loving the work CCP is doing with Gallente, the new Thorax, amazing, the Vexor, it is everything I dreamed and oh god the Exequror is sexy, Damps I will wait and see. Their Frigates in great shape and as CCP Fozzie said Armor Balance is around the corner.

If they do this well with Gallente on Battleships and sub Talo's BC's then excellent. Gallente is absolutely my favorite flying style, in fact when I had all Cruisers at 4 it was the first one I brought up in anticipation for this change and they have been the least disappointing.

Doesn't mean I want to nerf down every other races Cruiser.

I wouldn't say that. The Thorax is getting significantly better speed, more slots and a real second bonus. The Vexor can now fit Medium Blasters along with a 1600mm Plate which it couldn't do before, more speed, slot for a DDA and a second mid for what have you.

Both are much, much better but the truth is they do need something. Right now 800mm Plates are terrible and 90% of Armor fits using the new Cruisers will be 1600mm Plate fit and that means Gallente will be Electron Fit.

If they want to bring Gallente to their true fighting weight what they need to do is move 1600mm up off of Medium Sized Hulls and make 800mm Good for Medium Ships. 1600mm Eat a crap ton of Grid and they do it while weighing the ship down. Let a proper 800mm Plate on the thing and not only will they be quicker but with better Dmg.

It isn't just Cruisers, most non Hurricanes suffer from this Grid Eater too and the 800mm is whole insubstantial. That is why I want the 1600mm moved to 1000 Grid and the 800mm II moved to around 3000HP. Omen's and Thorax's that don't need ACR's, Harbinger's and Maller's that fit Heavy Pulse II, Thorax's and Vexor's that fit Ion's, Deimos that can fit Neutrons instead Electrons all while losing a very small amount of Armor. Cruiser HP (Plate, 2 EANM, DCU) would be around 35k Battlecruiser up around 65-70K not counting Resist Bonuses and all would fit better weapons, be quicker and use full medium modules, not Small Cap Boosts and Small Neut / Nos.

Lets hope they sort out Armor Tanking but even with the terrible tanking system though Gallente do not look bad at all.

Your stabber can get drones as soon as my omen can get a 2nd bonus that isn't pants on head dumb.
- You might get your wish.

Your fastest in class ships can get more DPS when armor tanking is not gimped beyond belief.
- care to show a fit for the Stabber that backs that claim up?

You can get fitting options once the ASB is not the iWIN butan.
- Yes because fitting 180s and an ASB is how everyone flies

Shield/Mattar pilots are so entitled it is sickening. Until recently when CCP finally wised up all of your ships were tuned around fitting arty, which had ungodly fitting reqs.

- I wouldn't call a 10% decrease in arty PG a dramatic shift in Minmatar fittings. It just opens up the possibility for more ships to fit them.

When you decided to fit autocannons you never had to downgrade a gun, or skimp on tank, or use fitting mods to fill all of your ship slots.

- Nonsense, of course you have to change guns based on tank fittings. Do you honestly believe you can fit 425s with 2 LSE IIs or an 800 or 1600 plate? Unless of course you like using your rigs slots for CPU and PG rigs. Like every other ship in Eve, you decide the best way to fit the ship whether it's tank or gank.

Quit the whinge already. Be happy that your ship lineup is still vastly superior. Use that whole racial role thing to your benefit. Hit and run, hit and run. Don't try and slug it out with the "brawler" races.

-The only whining I see is coming from you and your belief that the Stabber shouldn't stand on level ground with the rest of the ships in its class (that would be Attack Cruisers btw).

- In my opinion (to sum up my postings) it should receive a 5th turret, a slight adjustment in the falloff bonus (5% to 7.5% per level) and a small drone bay of 2 or 3 drones. That to me feel balanced. That to me feel competitive to the rest of the ships in this class.

-If you have some constructive input beyond "No" or "When hell freezes over" or whining that your pony (ship) isn't on top of the heap, please share your thoughts.

What I'd like to see is the Omen get a second bonus that isn't pants on head dumb, and still be able to shoot its guns for more then a minute without emptying its cap reserve. And I just mean shoot its guns. Not run the MWD, not run some EWar... just shoot.

- What would be a viable way to help the Omen cap-wise? use the 6th low for a cap relay/pds II or maybe change the 6th low to a 4th mid slot for a cap booster? Increased cap reserve or recharge rate? The whole ship line itself suffers from a cap reserve problem just trying to run the MWD alone. Maybe a 20% boost to cap reserve and recharge rate for the Omen and 10% to 15% for the rest of the class?

I think what he's trying to get at here is the fact that Artillery had such high fitting requirements that CCP had to base ships around Arty, and because of that has ample amounts of spare fitting when using AC's.

- A good point. In my opinion however, I don't think putting arty on a Stabber is the right direction for the ship.

It is a choice to fit a MWD, a choice. The fact that it is close to being mandatory to be competitive does not mean hulls should be balanced to allow for it with marginal detriment .. as Amarr only I fully understand the sacrifices involved and often opt for an AB instead knowing full well that my target pool dwindles .. cap is life and there are plenty of ways in which to ensure it.

Not saying a general cap increase is heresy, just that it removes a lot of tactical diversity (read: balance) when choices, hard or otherwise, are axed.

I'd prefer to see projectile guns to use more cap than all ships having so much cap they don't care about cap management.

With projectiles using cap, minmatar wouldn't be so generous with neutralizers. Neut is cap hungry by itself, and if minmatar use them, it's because they don't need their cap so much in the first place.

Read up a few mate, I'm in favor of giving the Stabber a 5th turret. My response you quoted is directed at a twit who only want more fittings on a Stabber while at the same time removing drones from the Thorax.

So read a bit more before calling me a hypocrite, sir.