Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes you are also correct as to the effectiveness of lower skilled players, but even if they have an easy racial cruiser 4 and remote repair systems 3, they are already creeping too close to the T2. I like the recent reduction of 2.5% repping power per level, but It might be better to drop them even further to 5% or 7.5%. We wont know how it actually affects things untill we get to test them though.

Edit Also remember that CCP Fozzie said he was never going to buff T2 logi

its progress indeed now how about the range?
And also the second bonus being more useful like tracking links etc?

Support cruisers can only comfortably use mediums, but creative use of larges is fine as long as there's a tradeoff involved.

i dont think you should be able to fit large reps on them... just increase pg requirements for large RR.

I guess you could always have the Support cruisers only bonus medium reppers, if the concern is using large vs mediums.

Personally, though, gimping the ship fit to use large reppers at ridiculous ranges seems like it'd be unbalanced, since the range/thin tank design seems to favor modules that apply at the beginning of the cycle (ECM/shield reppers, etc.). You can primary a thinly tanked, very long range ship off the field, but not before it does it's damage, or in this case, healing/repair. Armor reppers, having to wait until the end of the cycle, would seem, then, to be at a disadvantage if they were similarly primaried, as their reps wouldn't have the chance to land before the ship is alpha'd or has to warp off.

But then again, with MJDing BSs jumping all around, who knows what to think?? :)

Ok here's a nice easy cheap fit without trying too hard.

[NEW Exequror, Large RR]
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Power Diagnostic System II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
NEW Small 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5


This setup reps 269 hp/s out to 92km and has 12.3k ehp, while the medium setup would rep 224 hp/s out to 66km and could fit a 29.5k ehp tank. Considering you would rep in pairs, a pair of Exequrors sitting at 90+ km away with 5 medium armor repping drones on each of them could easily stay alive throughout a fight. You could then switch your small repper onto your buddy to keep him alive through intense attempts to remove you from the field. Even removing the AB to fit more cap chargers.

[NEW Exequror, Med RR]
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

NEW Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
NEW Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
NEW Medium Remote Armor Repair System II

Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I
Medium Anti-EM Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

The changes look good, rather standardized which I do not necessarily have an issue with to be honest. I like the fact it provides pilots with a chance to provide cheap logistic support that does not have the staying power of its tech 2 variant. This will provide them with the practice needed before they attempt to use more expensive hulls. As well as to act to provide a playstyle to people who may have otherwise had to indulge in a more expensive ship.

One thing I would not object to seeing though is the addition of a sub roll to each one based on its races "Support" platform. For example - Trackinglinks, Remote Sensor Boosters, ECCM, Etc.

This would provide a further utility bonus to these ships and diversify them to a degree. For example I often times fly with sniping fleets as our specialty. It would be nice to have a bonused ship that if brought along would open up our own mid slots as it has a bonus to applying the boosting effects. Though this may provide the ship with too many possibilities, at least keep it in mind for new ship creation.

Yes exactly. It also comes down to the idea that many people may say "Well there were ships that had this bonus before but it was never used" - That isn't because it is a 'bad' idea, as much as it was having a ship with split utility that could not focus what its purpose was. For example the Scythe "3.5% bonus to tracking links per level" - It doesn't really encourage us to bring a scythe along for just that. But should these ships have the ability to provide reps as well, or to alternatively provide a utility bonus such as longer firing ranges, targeting ranges. Then I would definitely bring one along, even the frigate variant!

I would enjoy bringing along a ship dedicated to improving the impact of my current fleet outside that of E-War and Remote repairing. Allowing more flexibility with how we fit our ships built for an extreme role. Should we lose this ship we would be at an advantage, but that is risk we take for more utility.

Probably a good decision. It should silence all the complaints about tech-1 support cruisers outrepping their tech-2 counterparts, and hopefully won't degrade performance so much as to make them useless outside for most purposes. I don't think that having repping output comparable to T2 Logistics was a bad thing; repping output is not the only factor to consider when designing a Logistics fit, and for a number of purposes repping power will be sacrificed for additional buffer or resistances. But time will tell. Definitely looking forward to these ships hitting the live server come December. I do hope that you'll keep an eye on how these ships are used, and will tweak up or down as necessary.

As always, I must note that the 'fantasy' large-repper fits ignore either cap, resistances, buffer, or prop mod. And sometimes all four. Especially with the reduction in fitting, which was definitely a good decision. E.g.: the post on the previous page with a 'kiting' Exequror that has no buffer, awful resistances, and an AB instead of an MWD. A kiting ship that can't keep range isn't a kiting ship; it's a wreck waiting to happen. A brawler (which is any support cruiser with an AB) with no buffer and low resistances isn't a brawler, because it will melt so fast under fire that other support cruisers won't have time to lock onto it, and if they get a lock, it won't have the resistances to make any use of the inbound reps. Such fittings will have their place, but they are not going to be used outside a few narrow situations, like camping high-sec and low-sec gates perhaps.

This kiting Exequror. It has no buffer, awful resistances even without comparing them to the Oneiros, and no MWD to establish or maintain range. It has all the downsides of a kiting ship, without the ability to maintain range, which is what keeps a kiting ship alive. It'll also be permajammed by half a Blackbird due to low sensor strength. AND it now reps less than an Oneiros even with max skills. It's a fun fit for camping highsec gates, or perhaps in lowsec if your opponents aren't too good. But it'll die if forced to go through a hostile gate, or if someone gets a point on it so it can't warp off.