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Looking for: Solo C3 Outpost Frontier Stronghold Combat Logs
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Tyrion WarMage
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-11-04 14:29:46 UTC
I'm currently trying to determine which is the best option for flying C3 WHs. Especially the Outpost Frontier Stronghold sites because they are neut free and have 3xBS (better loot).
Hence i would like to see combat logs from ppl soloing those sites. (Solo=Single Ship)

Of course, i will post my findings here.

What i need:
Start2End CombatLog (found in My Documents\EVE\logs\Gamelogs)
The WH effect type
The fitting
some information about your chars combat skills (Top=90%L5, Medium=All >=L4, Mediocre=some L3 - that is enough to get a rough picture, no details required)

A word of advice: If you are aligning somewhere during the run, then the WH number will show up in the logs! If you want to prevent that, just do a Search&Replace for the WH number in the log file
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-11-04 15:29:58 UTC
The best option to solo C3s is a Tengu. I cant give you logs but that is the very best solo pwn mobile out there today.

Even when they nerf HMLs the Tengu will still be a pwn mobile. C3s are no problem at all for it you can even solo C4s if you have the time. Saying that C3s would be more profitable...
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-11-04 17:32:14 UTC
C3 sites are a joke in a tengu. The only neuting ships even a threat are the sleepless upholders, and they can easily be kited outside neut range (about 71km)

Just look them up on eve survival.
Tyrion WarMage
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-11-05 10:40:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrion WarMage
Thx for the advice, but i'm pretty sure that a Tengu is not the best option. I'm using a Rattlesnake which can loot inFight, saving plenty of time. It has also more theoretical DPS, but i would like to know how this turns out in practice, hence my request for combat logs.
dark dreamur
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-11-05 15:10:05 UTC
rattle snake is deff the way to go, or nightmare or mac, if you want to steam through the sites a balghorn is amazing, these ships will need max faction and or dead space fittings to get the most out of them but once fitted will pay for them selves within a week, these can even be set up for semi afking of sites
Blodhgarm Dethahal
8 Sins of Man
Stray Dogs.
#6 - 2012-11-05 16:29:26 UTC
Rattle is ok.. your drones popping could be a slight annoyance for you tho. But if you don't like missiles or drones I'd recommend the Legion. Dual Centum C-Type Reps + 2 Navy EANM w/ Thermal and Armor Repping Rigs gets you a 900-1000 DPS Omni Tank. You may not need that much though.
Nya0
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#7 - 2012-11-05 18:35:01 UTC
You need to get a Machariel or a Nightmare - oh and remember to deadspace/officer fit it. It's gonna be so awesome you don't even need to stay alligned because nothing can or will touch your pwnmobile.

Seriously though, Tengu with an alt in a noctis or as already suggested Legion (needs more bling to survive) has by far the highest survivability and gtfo-ability (you can also fit a probe launcher to the legion which increases your security). Second in line is the Nighthawk (also cheaper) though it is much harder to escape in a command ship.

Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-11-05 19:05:56 UTC
Nya0 wrote:
You need to get a Machariel or a Nightmare - oh and remember to deadspace/officer fit it. It's gonna be so awesome you don't even need to stay alligned because nothing can or will touch your pwnmobile.

Seriously though, Tengu with an alt in a noctis or as already suggested Legion (needs more bling to survive) has by far the highest survivability and gtfo-ability (you can also fit a probe launcher to the legion which increases your security). Second in line is the Nighthawk (also cheaper) though it is much harder to escape in a command ship.




So much misinformation. You guys must have a really hard time killing things without all the bull - ****.

I do not have any such logs, we currently work with C4s. Paper dps != effective DPS. Tengu has been proven again and again to be highly effective in these sites and has the speed and agility to escape if you somehow manage missing a blob of incoming, non cloaked T3s that these l33t PvPers will throw at you. You could even do a Heavy Assault Missile fit if you're worried about the incoming nerf to Heavy Missiles.

Rattlesnake is a fantastic ship, but I would not use it because you can't really go around looting because you really want to be using sentry drones, not heavies. You could try a Marauder if you have the skills, but really you're better off going cheaper for both less risk and less "lets go gank that." Tengu/Noctis is your friend.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#9 - 2012-11-05 20:10:56 UTC
dark dreamur wrote:
rattle snake is deff the way to go, or nightmare or mac, if you want to steam through the sites a balghorn is amazing, these ships will need max faction and or dead space fittings to get the most out of them but once fitted will pay for them selves within a week, these can even be set up for semi afking of sites


Confirming that afk'ing c3's in a faction/deadspace fit faction/pirate ship is most definitely the way to go.

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dark dreamur
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-11-06 00:20:01 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
dark dreamur wrote:
rattle snake is deff the way to go, or nightmare or mac, if you want to steam through the sites a balghorn is amazing, these ships will need max faction and or dead space fittings to get the most out of them but once fitted will pay for them selves within a week, these can even be set up for semi afking of sites


Confirming that afk'ing c3's in a faction/deadspace fit faction/pirate ship is most definitely the way to go.


the more people we have in wh space doing this the better why? umm...... er Yes! because they will kill sites faster so umm respawn else where getting more people space rich , so deff grab those faction battleships , bling them up and semi afk the **** out of them
Tyrion WarMage
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-11-06 10:30:26 UTC
Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:
Rattle is ok.. your drones popping could be a slight annoyance for you tho.
Fit 2xTP or and ECM and see what happens :) (Not guaranteed to work in groups)

Quote:
Rattlesnake is a fantastic ship, but I would not use it because you can't really go around looting because you really want to be using sentry drones, not heavies.
I know, Sentries are better but using Sentries makes you an easy target for Hot Drops, together with the possibility to loot+salvage while doing the site puts the Heavies in a superior position imho.

Quote:
You need to get a Machariel or a Nightmare - oh and remember to deadspace/officer fit it.
.. triple the price tag of a rattle. Not really convinced thats worth it

Quote:
Tengu with an alt in a noctis or as already suggested Legion
Love that alt argument .. ofc you can do better with 2 ships than with one ....


.. but never the less, would still be happy to get some logs, to see how i'm doing compared to an T3 or NM/Mach
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-11-06 13:05:52 UTC
As you may have realized, your chances of getting any actual logs is very low unfortunately.

As you are using a Rattle with heavies, and have time to slow boat around looting and salvaging, I can pretty much guarantee a solo tengu will still be faster, even factoring the looting time. I don't run C3 sites anymore (and when I did I generally dual boxed them) so any logs are long gone.

Oh and moving around the site using heavies will not save you from a gank team.
Tyrion WarMage
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-11-06 14:04:35 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
As you may have realized, your chances of getting any actual logs is very low unfortunately.

Seems like i need to buy all those ships and try it out :(

Derath Ellecon wrote:
and have time to slow boat around looting and salvaging

All OFS spawns are orbiting <=20km, meaning you can simply put a T2 Tractor+Salvager into your 2 remaining high slots. And loot without slow boating :)

Derath Ellecon wrote:
Oh and moving around the site using heavies will not save you from a gank team.

With the technique mentioned above, you can stay aligned, which slightly increases security.
Hermann Simm
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-11-06 14:39:29 UTC
Sleeper neuts are a joke compared to what blood elite cruisers do to your cap
Rengas
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#15 - 2012-11-06 15:46:05 UTC
[Drake, Beast3]
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Reactor Control Unit II
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I

Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Domination Stasis Webifier
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II


Hobgoblin II x5


This baby tanks over 4k with Crystals and Blue Pill and is only 1/4 the cost of a Rattler and 1/12 of a Tengu!
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-11-06 19:00:30 UTC

Quote:
Rattlesnake is a fantastic ship, but I would not use it because you can't really go around looting because you really want to be using sentry drones, not heavies.
I know, Sentries are better but using Sentries makes you an easy target for Hot Drops, together with the possibility to loot+salvage while doing the site puts the Heavies in a superior position imho.


No. Completely wrong. Being in movement unless you are specifically aligned to a celestial object makes it HARDER for you to warp out because you have to turn (in at least 50% of cases). Also, a Rattlesnake is huge; that's at least a 7 or 8 second align time, compared to a 3 or 4 second align time in a tengu, which beats a lot of decloaking recalibrations.

But feel free to use a Rattlesnake if you are fairly confident in your other abilities to keep it alive; just be aware that the larger the ship the easier it is to tackle regardless of how "safe" you play it.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-11-06 19:01:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Svodola Darkfury
[quote=Tyrion WarMage]
Quote:
I know, Sentries are better but using Sentries makes you an easy target for Hot Drops, together with the possibility to loot+salvage while doing the site puts the Heavies in a superior position imho.



No. Completely wrong. Being in movement unless you are specifically aligned to a celestial object makes it HARDER for you to warp out because you have to turn (in at least 50% of cases). Also, a Rattlesnake is huge; that's at least a 7 or 8 second align time, compared to a 3 or 4 second align time in a tengu, which beats a lot of decloaking recalibrations.

But feel free to use a Rattlesnake if you are fairly confident in your other abilities to keep it alive; just be aware that the larger the ship the easier it is to tackle regardless of how "safe" you play it.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Tyrion WarMage
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-11-07 00:17:32 UTC
I'm flying aligned. A T2 tractor has enough range to pull everything in an Outpost Site.
Nya0
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#19 - 2012-11-07 16:51:39 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Nya0 wrote:
You need to get a Machariel or a Nightmare - oh and remember to deadspace/officer fit it. It's gonna be so awesome you don't even need to stay alligned because nothing can or will touch your pwnmobile.

Seriously though, Tengu with an alt in a noctis or as already suggested Legion (needs more bling to survive) has by far the highest survivability and gtfo-ability (you can also fit a probe launcher to the legion which increases your security). Second in line is the Nighthawk (also cheaper) though it is much harder to escape in a command ship.




So much misinformation. You guys must have a really hard time killing things without all the bull - ****.

I do not have any such logs, we currently work with C4s. Paper dps != effective DPS. Tengu has been proven again and again to be highly effective in these sites and has the speed and agility to escape if you somehow manage missing a blob of incoming, non cloaked T3s that these l33t PvPers will throw at you. You could even do a Heavy Assault Missile fit if you're worried about the incoming nerf to Heavy Missiles.

Rattlesnake is a fantastic ship, but I would not use it because you can't really go around looting because you really want to be using sentry drones, not heavies. You could try a Marauder if you have the skills, but really you're better off going cheaper for both less risk and less "lets go gank that." Tengu/Noctis is your friend.

Svo.



Come on.. a little joke occasionally to rattle the cage never hurt anyone Lol