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How much isk would you consider to be very rich?
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Barrak
The Painted Ones
#21 - 2011-10-19 21:03:44 UTC
lol.... I thought i was doing okay with 2bill in the bank.

Anyone fancying becoming a mentor ;)
Dervinus
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#22 - 2011-10-19 22:18:19 UTC
and I thought I was doing OK with like 200 million

o7 toonies
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#23 - 2011-10-19 23:01:50 UTC
Mekhana wrote:


That is if you actually undock and shoot people.


That's crazy talk.
Borkers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-10-19 23:02:19 UTC
I was going to say the same about hitting 4B last week. Now I'm just glad to know I'm not the least rich player in the universe.
Loney
CyberDyne R-D
Artificial Intellagence
#25 - 2011-10-20 01:01:30 UTC
Over the course of the game it changes... I mean 6 years ago i had 20billion ISK and i was consider richer then most alliances. Today its still the same ratio richer then most alliances but the numbers have all gone up! Today i would say if you have 100+ billion you are richer the most PEOPLE... and you need over 1T to be richer then most alliances.

Over the past 2 years I have had much less time ingame and it really is to keep doubling your isk once you get over 1T... speciall since i have a 6b a month GTC bill... and whatever i loss in PvP (which isn't much).

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Tahna Rouspel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2011-10-20 03:01:19 UTC
The answer is obviously 1%.

You have to be in the top 1% of the richest people in EVE. I doubt I'm among that 1% with my measly 2 bil liquid isk, but then again, there's a lot of people in EVE! 1% of 300,000 is still 3000! Who are the richest 3000 people in EVE?
Machete Visor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2011-10-20 04:50:51 UTC
one uber pvp char = 25-30b

any combination of reasonable subcap ships to fill your hangar = 2-3b

capital ships = 1b-3b

super carriers = 15b


so if you don't intend to fly a titan but want to fly evetything else and don't care to pimp everything.... 36b for subcaps... 50b if you want a nyx.

add in subscriptions for a year.... 4b.

flying a supercarrier / titan is a little overrated. so could easily make do with a great subcap / carrier pilot with 30b-40b for a year or so.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2011-10-20 16:47:38 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Elise DarkStar wrote:
at least 500b


Aye at LEAST


Not empty quoting.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-10-20 18:38:47 UTC
<100 million ISK: Lower class (Can really only afford to regularly fly T1 ships)
100 million - 1 billion ISK: Upper lower class (Can afford to regularly fly T2 ships)
1 billion - 100 billion ISK: Middle class (Can afford to regularly fly capitals)
100 billion - 1 trillion ISK: Upper class (Can afford to regularly fly super caps)
1+ trillion ISK: The "elite" (You actually have to work hard at losing this much ISK legitimately)
Kostolany
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-10-20 19:09:42 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
<100 million ISK: Lower class (Can really only afford to regularly fly T1 ships)
100 million - 1 billion ISK: Upper lower class (Can afford to regularly fly T2 ships)
1 billion - 100 billion ISK: Middle class (Can afford to regularly fly capitals)
100 billion - 1 trillion ISK: Upper class (Can afford to regularly fly super caps)
1+ trillion ISK: The "elite" (You actually have to work hard at losing this much ISK legitimately)


Lovely, that's a good order of precedence for the rich peaople in eve. I like this. I am in the middle class atm and next goal is to reach the upper class.

No fear, pain is only temporary.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-10-20 19:40:21 UTC
ADDENDUM:
<100 million ISK: New players, or lazy players who hate to "grind". Compulsive PvPers/pirates who don't have a carebearing alt to fund their addiction. They fly "pay-check to pay-check".

100 million - 1 billion ISK: The rank-and-file of 0.0 alliances or a carebear who has only been playing for a few months. Generally has an emergency level 4 mission running battleship in empire that they can always fall back on. Alternates between carebearing and PvP.

1 billion - 100 billion ISK: Veteran carebears, casual traders/industrialist, market aware PvPer. Veteran carebears in this category are stuck here. They are risk averse and compulsive savers. Because they generally run missions, they will probably never cross the 100 billion ISK barrier. Casual traders/industrialists stay in this category simply because they do not want to work hard. Successful traders/industrialists will inevitably pass this category.

100 billion - 1 trillion ISK: Traders, industrial tycoons( and small alliance leaders?). Players in this category didn't earn this much money on their own merit. Instead they profit off of the laziness and foolishness of others. Traders and industrial tycoons in this category have "done their homework". However, only the most successful traders and industrialists will surpass this level, as it becomes difficult to efficiently invest this much ISK.

1+ trillion ISK: Veteran trader/industrial tycoons. Players in this category have enjoyed success in their market/industrial activities for many years. Has managed to avoid money to investment scams, and has found market activities which scale well with their income. A few ultra-successful scammers may also be in this category, but most scammers won't be able to maintain this much money unless they are/become market savvy. You also might include large alliances (perhaps their leaders if they are corrupt) in this category thanks to owning many tech moons - though I imagine that a fair bit of moon goo ISK is pumped back into the alliance membership via ship replacement programs.
Stonecold Steve
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#32 - 2011-10-21 09:37:59 UTC
i find anyone that has a higher financial profile then myself an rich person. im aroudn 250m liquid and around 5bil on materials (im a materialistCool)

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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#33 - 2011-10-21 12:52:35 UTC
with 40-50 billion you can do everything except afford supercap after supercap, but since I don't like supercaps, 40-50 is my stab at it.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#34 - 2011-10-21 14:26:10 UTC
Terra Volta wrote:
Out of curiosity, if a player were to make isk without the use of any exploits (botting), how much isk would you consider to be very rich?

I'd say:

1T+ is very rich
100B+ is rich
10B+ is well off

Loney wrote:
richer then most alliances.

I don't think it's that hard to be richer than most alliances if you are only considering the assets owned by the alliance itself as opposed to the aggregated assets of all alliance members.

I am richer than both of my alliances in the first case. But I doubt I account for even 2% of Pandemic Legion's aggregate wealth and I would guestimate that I account for maybe 10% of HYDRA RELOADED's aggregate wealth (with Garmon accounting for maybe 50%).
Loney
CyberDyne R-D
Artificial Intellagence
#35 - 2011-10-22 03:40:02 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Loney wrote:
richer then most alliances.

I don't think it's that hard to be richer than most alliances if you are only considering the assets owned by the alliance itself as opposed to the aggregated assets of all alliance members.

I am richer than both of my alliances in the first case. But I doubt I account for even 2% of Pandemic Legion's aggregate wealth and I would guestimate that I account for maybe 10% of HYDRA RELOADED's aggregate wealth (with Garmon accounting for maybe 50%).


Yes, I was refering to the assets/reserves themselves and not the aggerate members wealth... Not sure about Pandemic Legions or Hydra Reloadeds assets but the several alliances i am aware of have about 2-3 trillion isk in reserves with about another trillion in equipment. But i would assume only the top 5-10 alliances would have anything like that.

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Endovior
PFU Consortium
#36 - 2011-10-22 03:54:07 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
<100 million ISK: Lower class (Can really only afford to regularly fly T1 ships)
100 million - 1 billion ISK: Upper lower class (Can afford to regularly fly T2 ships)
1 billion - 100 billion ISK: Middle class (Can afford to regularly fly capitals)
100 billion - 1 trillion ISK: Upper class (Can afford to regularly fly super caps)
1+ trillion ISK: The "elite" (You actually have to work hard at losing this much ISK legitimately)


Hmm. By that standard, I'm middle class; I don't ever have a billion ISK liquid, since I'm constantly reinvesting, but at any given time I've got a net worth nicely exceeding a billion. Heck, I don't like to logoff with over 100 mil in-wallet... after all, if my ISK isn't working for me, it's just sitting there collecting dust.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-10-22 21:03:01 UTC
Endovior wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
<100 million ISK: Lower class (Can really only afford to regularly fly T1 ships)
100 million - 1 billion ISK: Upper lower class (Can afford to regularly fly T2 ships)
1 billion - 100 billion ISK: Middle class (Can afford to regularly fly capitals)
100 billion - 1 trillion ISK: Upper class (Can afford to regularly fly super caps)
1+ trillion ISK: The "elite" (You actually have to work hard at losing this much ISK legitimately)


Hmm. By that standard, I'm middle class; I don't ever have a billion ISK liquid, since I'm constantly reinvesting, but at any given time I've got a net worth nicely exceeding a billion. Heck, I don't like to logoff with over 100 mil in-wallet... after all, if my ISK isn't working for me, it's just sitting there collecting dust.


I'm middle class to. Except I do log off with around 800mil in my wallet, but I turn over between 400mil and 1.2bil per day(typically around 700mil), so I need a buffer.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#38 - 2011-10-23 06:29:51 UTC
Endovior wrote:

Hmm. By that standard, I'm middle class; I don't ever have a billion ISK liquid, since I'm constantly reinvesting, but at any given time I've got a net worth nicely exceeding a billion. Heck, I don't like to logoff with over 100 mil in-wallet... after all, if my ISK isn't working for me, it's just sitting there collecting dust.


The infamous "lots of assets, but not a lot of ISK". I too suffer from that disease.

Heck, one of the reasons I prefer to fly T2 hulls is because I don't have to re-insure them every 3 months (too many shinies in the hangar that I only fly once in a blue moon).

1-100B is a pretty big range though. There's a definite difference between someone in the 1B-10B category and someone in the 10-100B category. The first still thinks battleships are expensive, the latter range regularly flies the larger T2 ships and doesn't really care much about stuff worth less then a few million ISK.

Once you get past 10B ISK in hi-sec, giving away a few million here or there to the younger pilots doesn't hurt the wallet much.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2011-10-23 07:36:00 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
The infamous "lots of assets, but not a lot of ISK". I too suffer from that disease.

Also related is the "I bought a character, am I poor now?" disease followed by the "I trained for eleventeen years, I am rich!" illusion.
Companion Qube
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2011-10-23 07:48:23 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:

1-100B is a pretty big range though. There's a definite difference between someone in the 1B-10B category and someone in the 10-100B category. The first still thinks battleships are expensive, the latter range regularly flies the larger T2 ships and doesn't really care much about stuff worth less then a few million ISK.

Once you get past 10B ISK in hi-sec, giving away a few million here or there to the younger pilots doesn't hurt the wallet much.

It's kind of true, I had a much harder time going from 10m to 10b than I did going from 10b to 100b. I think I spent most of my eve time from 10b to 100b completely drunk, before that I had to think a bit.
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