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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#241 - 2012-11-05 02:01:53 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
you have to fit your ship with something other than meta 0 modules...mediums take a little longer though...maybe 20 minutes for me.


And the new cruisers coming out Dec 4 should speed this up significantly.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#242 - 2012-11-05 07:44:21 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Unlimited ships pre inferno? Are you refering to the rookie ships you get when you enter a station in a pod?
What part about 90-105k LP/hour at 3k isk/lp profit for about 250 million isk/hour don't you understand? Just asking.

But anyway,keep thinking people will choose less money instead of more money. You are just obviously ignoring the problems with your irrational views.

You are whining about income disparity and Poetic is whining about the ability of FW pilots to generate enough isk to play the game. Somehow, you think I'm addressing your whine - which I'm not. I'm addressing Poetics whine.

As for your whine... the FW game is changing. Try logging in and playing the game for a week. Then report what you experience to the board. Until then you have ZERO credibility with your whine.
Dan Carter Murray
#243 - 2012-11-05 08:37:21 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
you have to fit your ship with something other than meta 0 modules...mediums take a little longer though...maybe 20 minutes for me.


And the new cruisers coming out Dec 4 should speed this up significantly.


yes and hopefully I can make an album called "OMEN SO STRONG" kind of like the album "COERCER SO STRONG"

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Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#244 - 2012-11-05 10:29:20 UTC
chatgris wrote:

You know, while you sit there and complain about the current state of fw (which is the best it's ever been)


You weren't there man, you just don't get it.

Seriously thoug, FW was at it's best in the early days before there was any isk in it, just the fights over nothing and blood was spilt over and over again, small gang action and rarely did you see a booster alt unless it was that whiney grumpy ol' Neph.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#245 - 2012-11-05 10:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Mra Rednu wrote:
chatgris wrote:

You know, while you sit there and complain about the current state of fw (which is the best it's ever been)


You weren't there man, you just don't get it.

Seriously thoug, FW was at it's best in the early days before there was any isk in it, just the fights over nothing and blood was spilt over and over again, small gang action and rarely did you see a booster alt unless it was that whiney grumpy ol' Neph.


I've been playing FW since January 2009 IIRC. Then, you pewed, then you went to run missions in high sec to make more ISK. Marcus somethingorother capped plexes nonstop in his stabbed merlin, and even if you brought multiple scrams to lock him down, the rats usually jammed you first. (Plex warfare was still lots of fun).

Now, they've removed the ewar from all rats, soon will make them balanced wrt to damage (missiles vs turrets), amazing change finally with having to shoot rats in plexes, you can make money plexing so *you can always be pvping*. No need to carebear, to get in a pvp ship, and then when you are in a pve ship be sad you have to let pvp opportunities pass you by.

It's pretty damn close to pvp nirvana in eve.
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#246 - 2012-11-05 13:42:29 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
You are whining about income disparity and Poetic is whining about the ability of FW pilots to generate enough isk to play the game.


So when are you petitioning CCP en-masse for moving those two Gal/Matar FW agents in low-sec which cannot be shut down by current mechanics because they are not conquerable. Until that is addressed, isk making is not in balance even if all factions would be at tier 3.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#247 - 2012-11-05 14:27:30 UTC
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
You are whining about income disparity and Poetic is whining about the ability of FW pilots to generate enough isk to play the game.


So when are you petitioning CCP en-masse for moving those two Gal/Matar FW agents in low-sec which cannot be shut down by current mechanics because they are not conquerable. Until that is addressed, isk making is not in balance even if all factions would be at tier 3.


Damar pls

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#248 - 2012-11-05 14:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
You are whining about income disparity and Poetic is whining about the ability of FW pilots to generate enough isk to play the game.


So when are you petitioning CCP en-masse for moving those two Gal/Matar FW agents in low-sec which cannot be shut down by current mechanics because they are not conquerable. Until that is addressed, isk making is not in balance even if all factions would be at tier 3.
Probably when Caldari petition CCP en-mass for all those Caldari FW agents that are within 2 jumps of Gallente space. Until those agents are moved as far away from the front lines as the Gallente agents, isk making is not in balance even if all factions would be at Tier 3.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#249 - 2012-11-05 14:41:30 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Unlimited ships pre inferno? Are you refering to the rookie ships you get when you enter a station in a pod?
What part about 90-105k LP/hour at 3k isk/lp profit for about 250 million isk/hour don't you understand? Just asking.

But anyway,keep thinking people will choose less money instead of more money. You are just obviously ignoring the problems with your irrational views.

You are whining about income disparity and Poetic is whining about the ability of FW pilots to generate enough isk to play the game. Somehow, you think I'm addressing your whine - which I'm not. I'm addressing Poetics whine.

As for your whine... the FW game is changing. Try logging in and playing the game for a week. Then report what you experience to the board. Until then you have ZERO credibility with your whine.



Oh that whole bit where you are quoting me and then typing your post made me think you were responding to me. Roll

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#250 - 2012-11-05 14:42:27 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Cearain wrote:
But whatever if you think we can make 90-105k lp per hour and 3k isk/lp the minmatar militia will be making over 600 mill isk per hour. If you have to carebear would you rather make 250 mill per hour or 600 mill?


But at this point, it doesn't matter. The minmatar militia is winning - great they get more money.

The amarr still get a fantastic amount of money that can be made while pvping, unlike pre-inferno where the ISK multiplier made it very difficult for the losing side.





I think you mean inferno not "pre-inferno." I consider what we have now "post-inferno." (not sure if it is technically retribution or not)

Assuming you mean inferno, it was not predominately the inferno tier system that made it difficult for the losing side. It was the farming alts. It was difficult for amarr to hit tier 4 or 5 because the minmatar had so many farming alts they could farm a system back to minmatar before amarr could flip all the systems they needed for tier 5. They had so many farming alts that would even occassionally flip a system themselves to feed the alts.

Amarr are mainly benefiting from the removal of the farming alts in the new system. The minmatar disn't realize what a crutch they were.

And again even if amarr couldnt' hit tier 4 or 5 after the farming alts were removed ccp could have easilly solved the problems with some minor tweaks to make the system more economically balanced for the underdog. Instead they did the opposite by awarding defensive plexing and changing the pay method to encourage people to join the side that is currently at the higher tier.

In inferno you would not want to join side that was at tier 5 if you wanted to do a bunch of occupancy plexing. That is because if you joined then you sort of just missed the boat. You would have to wait for the other side to go do a cashout and only then would you start making lp.

Now its the opposite. The payouts are such that the economically interested players will join the side that is currently winning. Hence after the dust settles the winning sides advantage will snowball.

Well the dust hasn't settled yet. I am confident in my predictions but I can see there are still allot of doubters so lets just wait and see.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#251 - 2012-11-05 14:47:37 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
Damar pls


Are you denying the fact that currently CCP's designated "good guys militia" have two isk making assets which are invulnerable to being shut down unlike is the case with "bad guys militia"?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#252 - 2012-11-05 14:53:35 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Unlimited ships pre inferno? Are you refering to the rookie ships you get when you enter a station in a pod?
What part about 90-105k LP/hour at 3k isk/lp profit for about 250 million isk/hour don't you understand? Just asking.

But anyway,keep thinking people will choose less money instead of more money. You are just obviously ignoring the problems with your irrational views.

You are whining about income disparity and Poetic is whining about the ability of FW pilots to generate enough isk to play the game. Somehow, you think I'm addressing your whine - which I'm not. I'm addressing Poetics whine.
As for your whine... the FW game is changing. Try logging in and playing the game for a week. Then report what you experience to the board. Until then you have ZERO credibility with your whine.

Oh that whole bit where you are quoting me and then typing your post made me think you were responding to me. Roll
You said "unlimited ships?" I said, "Heck yes", You said "MInmattar make more isk than me - I'm gonna cry" I said "Quit changing subject - the topic is whether or not players can make enough isk in FW to stay in ships." You said "but you responded to me, hahahahahaha."

So let's back up a bit, read the thread chain, and agree that you tried to change the subject.
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#253 - 2012-11-05 15:29:35 UTC
Lots of ******** FW babies in this thread screaming about how unfair/fair a haven for what has to be some of the stupidest people in the game is. Who is "winning" Cal/Gal (also lol at the people saying your dessie/bad frig pvp is exciting, one of the most boring things I can imagine in the game.)

Glad to see you've all been mostly contained to shouting at each other about how bad you are still.
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#254 - 2012-11-05 17:03:55 UTC
marketjacker wrote:
Lots of ******** FW babies in this thread screaming about how unfair/fair a haven for what has to be some of the stupidest people in the game is. Who is "winning" Cal/Gal (also lol at the people saying your dessie/bad frig pvp is exciting, one of the most boring things I can imagine in the game.)

Glad to see you've all been mostly contained to shouting at each other about how bad you are still.


Hope you designation of PVP is not loki boosted snake set nano ships or loki boosted 100mn tengus cause your terribad in those as well.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#255 - 2012-11-05 17:15:06 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
[rant]

Cearain has a weird sense of entitlement. He wants ISK, he wants it for free. He doesnt want to do all those things the minmatar do to gain that isk. He doesnt want to defend or have to run plexes. We have spend a lot of LP upgrading, night and nights plexing and defending, running after your isk farmers. What do you do? You make an alt and farm yourself, then you start complaining about minmatar plexing. If you remove all your damn alts ww would be losing a lot of numbers haha. Or are you forgetting about your alt corp Tribal Outlaws??? You know the corp whos POSes you use to hide your Amarr main PVP ships in.

Suck it up, stop being a whiny baby. Grow a bloody spine and take responsibility. Be a ******* MAN for a change.

[/rant]



Really you sound like a casino. "Keep playing." "How can you win when you don't play?" Yeah everything is stacked in my favor but you don't want to be a quitter do you? Sorry I don't gamble at casinos.


You don't know anything about what I did with my alts or what I suggested my corp/militia should do with respect to plexing. Inferno was imbalanced but it had some mechanics for balance. I was one of the main people in amarr who argued to use those balancing mechanics to the upmost and keep plexing for amarr.

Now that even those meager balancing mechanics have been reduced/removed I can't honestly say its in our best interest to keep doing this occupancy war. Telling my corp and militia mates that they should keep engaging this plexing mechanic is just like telling them they should keep going to the casino.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#256 - 2012-11-05 17:18:44 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Try logging in and playing the game for a week. Then report what you experience to the board. Until then you have ZERO credibility with your whine.



I haven't been at a casino in a few years either. But I can add and subtract and know that it is not a smart game to play.

My playing the game won't change the math involved.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#257 - 2012-11-05 17:55:18 UTC
marketjacker wrote:
Lots of ******** FW babies in this thread screaming about how unfair/fair a haven for what has to be some of the stupidest people in the game is. Who is "winning" Cal/Gal (also lol at the people saying your dessie/bad frig pvp is exciting, one of the most boring things I can imagine in the game.)

Glad to see you've all been mostly contained to shouting at each other about how bad you are still.


some of the dumbest people in this game have poped your 100mn loki boosted tengu's/drake gangs. then i bet **** gets real exciting

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#258 - 2012-11-05 18:01:00 UTC
Cearain wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
[rant]

Cearain has a weird sense of entitlement. He wants ISK, he wants it for free. He doesnt want to do all those things the minmatar do to gain that isk. He doesnt want to defend or have to run plexes. We have spend a lot of LP upgrading, night and nights plexing and defending, running after your isk farmers. What do you do? You make an alt and farm yourself, then you start complaining about minmatar plexing. If you remove all your damn alts ww would be losing a lot of numbers haha. Or are you forgetting about your alt corp Tribal Outlaws??? You know the corp whos POSes you use to hide your Amarr main PVP ships in.

Suck it up, stop being a whiny baby. Grow a bloody spine and take responsibility. Be a ******* MAN for a change.

[/rant]



Really you sound like a casino. "Keep playing." "How can you win when you don't play?" Yeah everything is stacked in my favor but you don't want to be a quitter do you? Sorry I don't gamble at casinos.


You don't know anything about what I did with my alts or what I suggested my corp/militia should do with respect to plexing. Inferno was imbalanced but it had some mechanics for balance. I was one of the main people in amarr who argued to use those balancing mechanics to the upmost and keep plexing for amarr.

Now that even those meager balancing mechanics have been reduced/removed I can't honestly say its in our best interest to keep doing this occupancy war. Telling my corp and militia mates that they should keep engaging this plexing mechanic is just like telling them they should keep going to the casino.


That metaphor is atrocious and inapplicable. Running a plex is no more similar to gambling than PvP is.
Dan Carter Murray
#259 - 2012-11-05 18:26:33 UTC
marketjacker wrote:
Lots of ******** FW babies in this thread screaming about how unfair/fair a haven for what has to be some of the stupidest people in the game is. Who is "winning" Cal/Gal (also lol at the people saying your dessie/bad frig pvp is exciting, one of the most boring things I can imagine in the game.)

Glad to see you've all been mostly contained to shouting at each other about how bad you are still.


oh!

the peanut gallery has chimed in.

aren't you the "special guy"* who put your links in the opposing militia? and the "special guy"* who refuses to engage unless you have them?

anyway, we're all waiting to hear more from the peanut gallery so chime in more often!

*"special guy" is translation for ******.

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Dan Carter Murray
#260 - 2012-11-05 18:27:46 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
marketjacker wrote:
Lots of ******** FW babies in this thread screaming about how unfair/fair a haven for what has to be some of the stupidest people in the game is. Who is "winning" Cal/Gal (also lol at the people saying your dessie/bad frig pvp is exciting, one of the most boring things I can imagine in the game.)

Glad to see you've all been mostly contained to shouting at each other about how bad you are still.


some of the dumbest people in this game have poped your 100mn loki boosted tengu's/drake gangs. then i bet **** gets real exciting


lies. he ejects from ship. then cynthia jumps in it and flies it like it was stolen. this has happened, what, six times now?

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