Player Features and Ideas Discussion

GTFO!!!
Awesome looking ship. Would love to see it revamped with more detail, but the basic shape is great.

Oh wow, you're right:

lazyquote:
"Seriously though a Maller with tackle guns running with one med neut and one small neut on him (shield rupture) lasts 44 seconds."

Or maybe he means one med and one small neut on him.

Hrrrm, maybe he could come back and explain?

Bah, I've stopped caring about that. It's too much thought and effort going into one forum post that's going to be wrong regardless because after the patch there will only be one utility high between them, and that's on the Rupture.

Yea sorry i forgot that the rupture lost a high

The difference between 1 med neut and 1 med one small is about 10 seconds so meh?


Stop arguing, you're wrong and bad >=[

Being the worst of the Amarr cruisers isn't exactly a bad thing. They're best of a bad bunch!

The way I understand it, the CC rebalance puts the vexor in a unique position as the only combat cruiser being formulated from what was originally a tier 2 cruiser; the others are all sourced from formerly tier 3 cruisers. The vexor seems to be getting a rather more substantial buff than the other hulls due to this circumstance it would seem. Doesn't this give rise to the awkward situation of the gallente being the only race with a faction derivative of their combat cruiser, while all other navy cruisers are derived from support and attack cruisers? And will the navy vexor be getting an appropriate buff to prevent it from becoming an expensive, obsolete, somewhat vestigial orphan of a faction tier 2 cruiser?

So last night, I managed to get a look at the Rupture as well as the Moa.

Moa is brilliant. It's a ship that, while slow, has offensive and defensive power to make up for it (though medium railguns are incredibly lackluster on this hull due to the whole "lol rails" factor- Seriously, 5 200mm railgun IIs, CN antimatter? About 200 DPS. It's not exactly an Alpha boat either. Also of note is that this is with three magstabs.) It'll definitely have to rely on being in a gang and smaller, faster tackle to be fully effective, but it's a shield-brick that can hurt if it's packing blasters. No fitting issues with Ions, nice balanced fit between offense and defense in addition to a web.

Rupture: Fragile, reasonably fast even with plates (very fast if fit otherwise though not as fast as the Stabber), suffers from Stabberitis in terms of it's very poor damage potential. I'm surprised that four double damage bonused projectiles aren't very effective. Yes, the Rupture has drones, but this doesn't quite push it into the range of the Moa or Vexor. Will have to look at how it behaves when fit with artillery; with ACs it's kind of mediocre, to be honest. Perhaps artillery ruptures will be decent.

So it seems that Minmatar might have been dethroned as the top tier PvP ships cruiser and down, I think; now there are actual downsides to using them. Some will whine. Others such as myself are not exactly as put out, because this means that there's going to be far, far more variety out there in PvP.

I am not sure whether I agree with the trend of providing the 5% damage bonus to Caldari ships past the Merlin. Although the Moa will still be awesome with either bonus, I believe the optimal range bonus makes the Moa unique and allows it to reach out to extreme ranges as well as providing a different play style with blasters - giving that extra range that helps exponentially. (Atleast to me)

With the Merlin the bonus is extremely useful as it did not have the fire power to be remotely as useful sniper. As well as the fact that majority of frigate engagements are within 10km, the optimal bonus did not benefit it enough to make a difference in comparison to the damage bonus. Regardless I will continue to use the Moa with either changes. I just hope that the Rokh maintains this bonus as the large guns benefit greatly from the extra range.

Basically I am just saying to look out for homogenization of skill bonuses.

There is no fragile things in the caldari doctrine except for the Naga, and even there it's relative : the Naga is the most robust shield BC tier 3. Their dedicated snipers are the most resilient in the galaxy.

Just tested kitey scrub shield rupture vs brawling maller starting at 10km. The maller capped out in about 20s.

Why exactly are they ditching all the laser cap bonuses in favour of damage, rather than just increasing base damage?

It is actually now slower then all the races attack cruisers, has the equivalent of 5 bonused guns and no real extra tank.

Rupture 210m/s
Thorax 240m/s
Omen 235m/s
Caracal 230m/s
Stabber 290m/s

A Neut is the only thing it has to its name now. They changed it a while back.

I want to see it get 5 Guns, 7.5% Dmg, 7.5% Tracking remove the Drone Bay and move the 5th low to a mid -200 Armor HP +200 Shield. Make it an Arty Whelp Boat or a High Tracking 425mm Gun Ship. 425 DPS with 425mm Guns and 3 Gyro's Faction Ammo (coincidence.) 330 DPS with 720mm Artillery with 3 Gyro's and Faction Ammo, 3640 Volley.

Then give that 30m3 Drone Bay to the Stabber too fix the DPS problem and drop the speed to 265m/s. Unique Gunship added, Stabber good DPS but not too fast.