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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#41 - 2012-11-05 14:55:43 UTC
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
I'm currently learning the game, and being all but 5 days old in the game I am by no means experienced.

I like to read the forum and blog posts about the game in general, I think EVE has an awesome community as a whole...

A subject I seem to be crossing time and time again - is the one of carebears vs their opposites....

The argument that the risk of being ganked and losing your assets is "unfair", or discourages new players to join the game, should not be as "brutal" as it is, etc etc...


When I read on this subject, I refer to EVE, the description of the game, and how it was designed.

It seems to me like the game has been designed to be this way, people can gank you, people can steal from you, people can scam you, people can do what ever they want to you... to me that is the game, that is how the game is designed and intended... that is EVE.

And that is why I downloaded the free trial a few days ago, and that is why on my second day in the game... I logged into my account management to enter my credit card details and pay for this amazing game.


My opinion on the subject of "carebears" is one of little attention, sympathy or consideration... I think that "carebears" should be seen and not heard, they should receive no attention or consideration from the developers of this great game, and the reason for that is simple...

The things that carebears disagree with/want to be changed in order to benefit their own doings within the game... these things are EVE... that is the game, the way it was intended to be... if somebody is able to target and engage you as a target in hisec, and the game mechanics allow for that to be done... that is the design of the game, if you don't like that then you may choose to stop playing...?

People are subscribing to the game because it is a great game, "a sandbox risk/reward hardcore game in which you are never safe"... THAT is appealing, that is thrilling and that is fun... if you change that, and alter the description to "safe mining where you can mine asteroid belts and never be killed"... that is not appealing, that to me sounds boring and I would have never entered my credit card details and given my money to CCP if that was the case.


Just my opinion on the trending topic, thanks.



Fake. Post with your Main.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Vertinox
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-11-05 15:22:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertinox
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Fake. Post with your Main.


Yeah. I don't know why people are so hell bent on converting Hi-Sec into Low Sec. You don't see people going on and on about making Null and Low carebear land do you?.

Personally I don't see any problems with scamming and ganking, but apparently people just want to kill people in Hi-Sec without Concord getting involved.

CCP isn't going to change the mechanics that massively affect a large portion of their player base (either way). They aren't going to bring Hi-Sec to Null or Low or vice versa.

People just need to stop making alts just to try convince CCP to do something they'll never do anyways.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#43 - 2012-11-05 15:39:46 UTC
Vertinox wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Fake. Post with your Main.


Yeah. I don't know why people are so hell bent on converting Hi-Sec into Low Sec. You don't see people going on and on about making Null and Low carebear land do you?.

Personally I don't see any problems with scamming and ganking, but apparently people just want to kill people in Hi-Sec without Concord getting involved.

CCP isn't going to change the mechanics that massively affect a large portion of their player base (either way). They aren't going to bring Hi-Sec to Null or Low or vice versa.

People just need to stop making alts just to try convince CCP to do something they'll never do anyways.



Yup.

OP knows too much game detail for a 5 Day Old toon.

Almost EVERY SINGLE ONE of the "Hate Carebears/High Sec" Poasts, esp the ones that whine, are fake and planted deliberately. The wording tries to be ever so too carefully naive.

A true Carebear will just quit, and complain to the company (CCP)....not to the very audience causing the "grief".

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2012-11-05 16:12:57 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

A true Carebear will just quit, and complain to the company (CCP)....not to the very audience causing the "grief".

or just say they will

then don't
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-11-05 16:20:39 UTC
I agreed with the OP right up until the comment about Carebears not deserving any attention from the devs. I have stated this many times, stand by it and will state it again. The PvP element of EVE is in the minority and without the Carebears in HighSec, EVE would surely die.

I am not sure how many of you would be able to keep your devs and continue working on a game after it loses more than half of its player base let alone hire more devs and grow.

The vast majority of EVE players do not visit the forums, do not watch or read the blogs, do not attend Fanfest and simply don't care. They want to play their game their way and thats it. The vast majority of EVE players are not PVP minded. Mining, making ISK and being rich is the game to them.

Also...see my sig.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-11-05 16:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I agreed with the OP right up until the comment about Carebears not deserving any attention from the devs. I have stated this many times, stand by it and will state it again. The PvP element of EVE is in the minority and without the Carebears in HighSec, EVE would surely die

What makes you so sure of that?

EVE had a series of expansions catering towards the highsec carebear, Tyrannis and Incursion. Fixing problems in PvP went to the backburner as CCP put out expansion after expansion of riskfree, high reward PI and Incursions. As a result, EVE nearly died. What we learned is that the exclusively "no-PVP" (though they reserve the right to flood the economy with risk-free commodities and ISK) is not as numerous or as vital as some forum whiners thought they'd be.
Makton Kelevin
MAK Industries
#47 - 2012-11-05 16:34:14 UTC
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
I didn't think this thread would provoke so many tears,


Alt.. Sounds like a pirate alt..

I'm not a PvPer, though I will do fleets with my Corp. I'm not out to kill others. So that would make a carebear (to my knowledge). The OP is stating that I shouldn't have a voice? Everyone in this game should have a voice. Do I want to see us loose HiSec? HELL NO!!! Why? We need a break from Low/NullSec. I've seen HiSec used to build and rebuild toon to PvP in NullSec. When things fall apart in NullSec for that toon (Also it seems it will happen) then HiSec us used to rebuild and retool for another round. If this is lost, the player base would diminish and PvP will die.

Everyone has a voice.

-Mak

Also, "Alt"... Post with your main. I do.
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-11-05 16:52:52 UTC
The best way to not see your post polluted by trolls and your work (writting a correctly built post with meaningful content) wasted by idiots is to never create a thread in "General Discussion". It's just troll-land. You'll get much better discussions in the other subforums. Yes EVE it's also that *sighs*
Newsflash
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-11-05 16:55:14 UTC
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
I'm currently learning the game, and being all but 5 days old in the game I am by no means experienced.

I like to read the forum and blog posts about the game in general, I think EVE has an awesome community as a whole...

A subject I seem to be crossing time and time again - is the one of carebears vs their opposites....

The argument that the risk of being ganked and losing your assets is "unfair", or discourages new players to join the game, should not be as "brutal" as it is, etc etc...


When I read on this subject, I refer to EVE, the description of the game, and how it was designed.

It seems to me like the game has been designed to be this way, people can gank you, people can steal from you, people can scam you, people can do what ever they want to you... to me that is the game, that is how the game is designed and intended... that is EVE.

And that is why I downloaded the free trial a few days ago, and that is why on my second day in the game... I logged into my account management to enter my credit card details and pay for this amazing game.


My opinion on the subject of "carebears" is one of little attention, sympathy or consideration... I think that "carebears" should be seen and not heard, they should receive no attention or consideration from the developers of this great game, and the reason for that is simple...

The things that carebears disagree with/want to be changed in order to benefit their own doings within the game... these things are EVE... that is the game, the way it was intended to be... if somebody is able to target and engage you as a target in hisec, and the game mechanics allow for that to be done... that is the design of the game, if you don't like that then you may choose to stop playing...?

People are subscribing to the game because it is a great game, "a sandbox risk/reward hardcore game in which you are never safe"... THAT is appealing, that is thrilling and that is fun... if you change that, and alter the description to "safe mining where you can mine asteroid belts and never be killed"... that is not appealing, that to me sounds boring and I would have never entered my credit card details and given my money to CCP if that was the case.


Just my opinion on the trending topic, thanks.


obvious ganker alt is obvious.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#50 - 2012-11-05 17:05:20 UTC
I doubt you will be able to track this person down tbh. Have to play to be tracked
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#51 - 2012-11-05 17:30:11 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
The best way to not see your post polluted by trolls and your work (writting a correctly built post with meaningful content) wasted by idiots is to never create a thread in "General Discussion". It's just troll-land. You'll get much better discussions in the other subforums. Yes EVE it's also that *sighs*


Ain't that the truth about GD.

But you'd be surprised how much trolling is in Science & Industry. And it's carebears trolling carebears, at that !

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Amnesiaa Haze
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-11-05 17:42:14 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
The best way to not see your post polluted by trolls and your work (writting a correctly built post with meaningful content) wasted by idiots is to never create a thread in "General Discussion". It's just troll-land. You'll get much better discussions in the other subforums. Yes EVE it's also that *sighs*


Thanks, I'll bare that in mind.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#53 - 2012-11-05 17:48:02 UTC
Makton Kelevin wrote:

Everyone has a voice.

Just because you have a voice doesn't mean anyone should listen.

After all, pedophiles have voices too.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-11-05 19:32:53 UTC
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Wow, being ganked and losing a free trial, how daring of you.

I smell a young Sparticus in our midst.


I'm not sure what you mean by this... maybe you didn't read my post properly? I haven't yet been ganked in the game, though I'm quite excited to experience it.



Simple, go to your closest adult shop and buy a good wip. Go back home and ask your strongest friend to wip your but till you fall down.

But if you really want to experience it just open your star map and set destination to Amamake, Aunen or even EC-P8R. You'll see it's a lot of fun for you Lol

brb
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-11-05 20:26:44 UTC
White Quake wrote:
you are a alt


So are you.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#56 - 2012-11-05 20:30:34 UTC
Still feeding the troll thread... shame. :)

0/10

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#57 - 2012-11-05 20:42:25 UTC
When I was about 5 days old - somehow I got a pod into one of my hangers. It's still there.
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-11-05 20:51:45 UTC
You get it, Grats! glad to see other people who play this game how it was advertised instead of trying to make it their own idealized verison.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Logi Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-11-05 21:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Logi Rollins
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Makton Kelevin wrote:

Everyone has a voice.

Just because you have a voice doesn't mean anyone should listen.

After all, pedophiles have voices too.


So do women, but that doesn't stop me.....Shocked


Joking aside, welcome to the not so wonderful world of General Discussion, where goonstrolls feed.

Oh god, I made a **** joke!!Sad
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-11-05 21:32:17 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
Giving yourself a little bit of an ego boost there I see
No, that's just how it is. I've spent countless hours understanding this game from the ground up.
Just because you have issues with yourself, doesn't mean everybody else has too.