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Dec Shield Bait Traps
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#1 - 2012-11-05 03:31:12 UTC
We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies:

Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire
Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system
Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower
Step 4.) Turn the tower offline
Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs
Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield
Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process
Step 8.) Tears

Burn Highsec Griefers
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-11-05 03:33:04 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies:

Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire
Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system
Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower
Step 4.) Turn the tower offline
Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs
Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield
Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process
Step 8.) Tears


If people start doing this, the whole thing will get ridiculous real fast.
EVIL SQUISHY
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-11-05 03:34:34 UTC
hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?

Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???

Ridiculous.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#4 - 2012-11-05 03:38:28 UTC
EVIL SQUISHY wrote:
hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?

Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???

Ridiculous.


No one in nullsec gives a rat's ass about Dec Shield and highsec wardecs. Stop assuming everything has to do with 0.0, FFS.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-11-05 03:43:48 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
If people start doing this, the whole thing will get ridiculous real fast.

my computer hung loading dec shield's war history
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#6 - 2012-11-05 03:49:30 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies:

Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire
Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system
Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower
Step 4.) Turn the tower offline
Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs
Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield
Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process
Step 8.) Tears


If people start doing this, the whole thing will get ridiculous real fast.


Because that will be the straw that makes the whole thing ridiculous.

lol.

+1 For creativity Zerg Big smile

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-11-05 03:54:40 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies:

Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire
Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system
Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower
Step 4.) Turn the tower offline
Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs
Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield
Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process
Step 8.) Tears


If people start doing this, the whole thing will get ridiculous real fast.


Because that will be the straw that makes the whole thing ridiculous.

lol.

+1 For creativity Zerg Big smile


I meant the trapping in various way not only this one. If people use this one and find other way to make people bite on with a war dec, the dec shield will grow even faster than it does now.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#8 - 2012-11-05 03:55:52 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies:

Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire
Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system
Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower
Step 4.) Turn the tower offline
Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs
Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield
Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process
Step 8.) Tears

You should start a bond like James did. Tears from your corp deserve to be rewarded.
EVIL SQUISHY
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-11-05 04:03:45 UTC  |  Edited by: EVIL SQUISHY
Akirei Scytale wrote:
EVIL SQUISHY wrote:
hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?

Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???

Ridiculous.


No one in nullsec gives a rat's ass about Dec Shield and highsec wardecs. Stop assuming everything has to do with 0.0, FFS.


From what I hear, things that go on in Highsec are exactly what nullers worry about...
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#10 - 2012-11-05 04:05:11 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies:

Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire
Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system
Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower
Step 4.) Turn the tower offline
Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs
Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield
Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process
Step 8.) Tears


If people start doing this, the whole thing will get ridiculous real fast.


It's already getting ridiculous real fast. The plus side, is the escalation to ridiculous usually means something will be done about it shortly after.
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#11 - 2012-11-05 04:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
EVIL SQUISHY wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
EVIL SQUISHY wrote:
hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?

Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???

Ridiculous.


No one in nullsec gives a rat's ass about Dec Shield and highsec wardecs. Stop assuming everything has to do with 0.0, FFS.


From what I hear, things that go on in Highsec are exactly what nullers worry about...


NO ONE WILL ******* WARDEC TO KILL A TOWER IN NULL.

EVER.

*snip* There is literally no reason to besides warning people "omg were gonna like totally attack you" and get them to laugh at you while accomplishing nothing but dumping ISK.

If you want to shoot a tower in low or null, you go to the tower and start shooting. If you want to steal modules from an offline tower, you just pick them up. That's it. The OP is very freaking obviously talking about highsec tower bait.


EDIT: Personal attacks are against forum rules - ISD Type40.
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#12 - 2012-11-05 04:12:45 UTC
EVIL SQUISHY wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
EVIL SQUISHY wrote:
hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?

Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???

Ridiculous.


No one in nullsec gives a rat's ass about Dec Shield and highsec wardecs. Stop assuming everything has to do with 0.0, FFS.


From what I hear, things that go on in Highsec are exactly what nullers worry about...
You seem to have no clue what is going on here.
Please take a look at the bright yellow link in the first sentence of the OP.

Who put the goat in there?
Ryhss
#13 - 2012-11-05 04:32:52 UTC
Don't join Dec Shield, it's a scam to permanently war dec your corp.

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Bob Petit
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-11-05 04:48:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob Petit
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies:

Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire
Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system
Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower
Step 4.) Turn the tower offline
Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs
Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield
Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process
Step 8.) Tears

Edited from the aggressor's viewpoint:
1. Start a one man corp
2. start another
3. start another
4. have corp 1 dec target 1
5. have corp 2 dec target 2
6. have corp 3 dec target 3
7. have your takedown team join corp 1, don't use roles.
8. corp hop your takedown team from corp to corp.
9. If a corp gets drawn into Dec Shield, walk away, just like you were going to anyway, when you built the 3 corps
10. Problem Solved

edit: You've pretty much reached the limit of your experiment. The only people who are going to get trapped are those that are attached to their corp names. Therefore, no one will dec with a corp whose name they value. Therefore, your strategy becomes stalled. Ironically, you've proven that, despite the flawed mechanic, corporations can easily avoid this problem. In effect, you've solved the problem through education. It now seems unlikely that your experiment will bear the fruit you hope it does.
Aggressive Nutmeg
#15 - 2012-11-05 04:51:38 UTC
Oh what a desperately broken system. You really notice it when you come back after being away for a while.

Just fix this goddam game. Somebody!

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#16 - 2012-11-05 04:54:03 UTC
Bob Petit wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies:

Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire
Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system
Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower
Step 4.) Turn the tower offline
Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs
Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield
Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process
Step 8.) Tears

Edited from the aggressor's viewpoint:
1. Start a one man corp
2. start another
3. start another
4. have corp 1 dec target 1
5. have corp 2 dec target 2
6. have corp 3 dec target 3
7. have your takedown team join corp 1, don't use roles.
8. corp hop your takedown team from corp to corp.
9. If a corp gets drawn into Dec Shield, walk away, just like you were going to anyway, when you built the 3 corps
10. Problem Solved


This is exactly what's been happening. Most wardecs these days are between trivial entities, 1-3 man corps that were formed within the last week wardeccing people. I try to avoid trapping these because they're worthless and just disband.

Ryhss wrote:
Don't join Dec Shield, it's a scam to permanently war dec your corp.

Point to a single corp that has been permanently trapped due to joining Dec Shield. It should be very easy to prove this if it were remotely true

Burn Highsec Griefers
Bob Petit
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-11-05 04:55:53 UTC
i edited a bit while you were replying lol
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#18 - 2012-11-05 04:59:03 UTC
Bob Petit wrote:
edit: You've pretty much reached the limit of your experiment. The only people who are going to get trapped are those that are attached to their corp names. Therefore, no one will dec with a corp whose name they value. Therefore, your strategy becomes stalled. Ironically, you've proven that, despite the flawed mechanic, corporations can easily avoid this problem. In effect, you've solved the problem through education. It now seems unlikely that your experiment will bear the fruit you hope it does.


I think you misjudge the value people place on their corporate / alliance KBs. Some space fairing people put a lot of their interseller kredits into making those look good. Plus domain space and all that.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#19 - 2012-11-05 05:00:05 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
I meant the trapping in various way not only this one. If people use this one and find other way to make people bite on with a war dec, the dec shield will grow even faster than it does now.


I think that is the point. Did you just troll me by stating the obvious?

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Bob Petit
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-11-05 05:05:20 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Bob Petit wrote:
edit: You've pretty much reached the limit of your experiment. The only people who are going to get trapped are those that are attached to their corp names. Therefore, no one will dec with a corp whose name they value. Therefore, your strategy becomes stalled. Ironically, you've proven that, despite the flawed mechanic, corporations can easily avoid this problem. In effect, you've solved the problem through education. It now seems unlikely that your experiment will bear the fruit you hope it does.


I think you misjudge the value people place on their corporate / alliance KBs. Some space fairing people put a lot of their interseller kredits into making those look good. Plus domain space and all that.

Which is precisely why every single alliance and corp with something at stake isn't going to war dec under that corp name. If necessary they'll create an alt corp and conduct the war through that entity. Even assuming they bother with it, because the only application is in high sec. There's no need to do it with the main corp. You'll still get the KMs no matter what. But there won't be any KMs, because war in high sec is pointless unless the defender is a willing participant.
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