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Dev blog: If you smell smoke, look for fire

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Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#221 - 2012-10-11 07:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyla Skin
True Sight wrote:
Part of the problem is the dev blog is referencing "fluffer RP" that is, material that has no actual visual impact in-game, i.e. Angel bombarding planets has no impact on players, we can't see it happening, can't see a giant hole in the planet afterwards. Since fluffer content has been posted for years, the change now that this actually means something and people should pay attention to it becomes confusing, primarily with the constant switching between IC/OOC.

Millions dead means nothing to an eve pilot, a buy order in that system for kilo-tones of medical supplies at a good markup does :)



All of this would be much more interesting if there was anything visual ingame to actually signify the stuff. As it is, I'm not sure why I should care about going to some system with a blob of random players typing random things on local and thats it.

Tbh, EVE is the MMO/game whose backstory I care about the least, since the game is just about as minimalistic in its visual storytelling as is humanly possible.

edit: Also I doubt the event has any effect on anything in the eve universe.

In after the lock :P   - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies
Skooma Steve
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2012-10-12 07:31:24 UTC
i participated in the live events when incursions were new and it was a metric f*%^ton of fun. However have you guys considered the idea of instead of just announcing a live event or just doing it and hoping people catch on.. maybe forming a fleet starting in whatever region the attacking faction is based out of (or somewhere nearby) and then moving through to the system that is going to be attacked. Or in the case of the old incursion ones, when i mothership shows up maybe have it get cyno'd in using dev hacks to use cyno's in high sec. It would give role players and people who participate in live events a chance to get a good heads up and form a fleet, without someone just telling them whats about to happen.. and also give them a chance to intercept these forces before they can reach their target...

just a few ideas of mine.. also there should be more story content for sleepers, i'm in a wormhole corp and slowly grinding the same sites over and over again gets old.. lets see some sleeper live events... maybe make them pissed that we're using the implants of their builders to make super soldiers for DUST? eh... EEEEHHHH??? you know you like that idea
Ghostdog9
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#223 - 2012-10-16 07:19:35 UTC
Skooma Steve wrote:
when a mothership shows up maybe have it get cyno'd in using dev hacks to use cyno's in high sec. It would give role players and people who participate in live events a chance to get a good heads up and form a fleet, without someone just telling them whats about to happen.. and also give them a chance to intercept these forces before they can reach their target..





The Devs don't want to give anyone a heads up that isn't in their in-game circle of friends. This is just another way to reward their buddies. Like giving BOB all those BPO's and stuff back in the day. It's a transparent way they can give fat loots to their buddies in front of everyone and make it look legit. That is why they won't make live events public for everyone.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#224 - 2012-10-16 10:03:53 UTC
Ghostdog9 wrote:
Skooma Steve wrote:
when a mothership shows up maybe have it get cyno'd in using dev hacks to use cyno's in high sec. It would give role players and people who participate in live events a chance to get a good heads up and form a fleet, without someone just telling them whats about to happen.. and also give them a chance to intercept these forces before they can reach their target..





The Devs don't want to give anyone a heads up that isn't in their in-game circle of friends. This is just another way to reward their buddies. Like giving BOB all those BPO's and stuff back in the day. It's a transparent way they can give fat loots to their buddies in front of everyone and make it look legit. That is why they won't make live events public for everyone.


1/10 - The pirate live events are and have been made public for everyone and don't drop any loot of real consequence. I wish there was an emoticon for a derisive snort. Roll

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#225 - 2012-10-16 10:52:00 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Ghostdog9 wrote:


The Devs don't want to give anyone a heads up that isn't in their in-game circle of friends. This is just another way to reward their buddies. Like giving BOB all those BPO's and stuff back in the day. It's a transparent way they can give fat loots to their buddies in front of everyone and make it look legit. That is why they won't make live events public for everyone.


1/10 - The pirate live events are and have been made public for everyone and don't drop any loot of real consequence. I wish there was an emoticon for a derisive snort. Roll



Then why did you let me blow up a hauler that was carrying 600 PLEX for his "Pirate" buddies after I went out drinking with you the one time? You know when you arranged for that Live Event to take place in a safe spot only me and you had the bookmarks too? You know, you said yo'd do it as long as I let you go on a date with my sister?



(Note: For the dim I need to add this din't actually happen).

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#226 - 2012-10-16 12:26:26 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Ghostdog9 wrote:


The Devs don't want to give anyone a heads up that isn't in their in-game circle of friends. This is just another way to reward their buddies. Like giving BOB all those BPO's and stuff back in the day. It's a transparent way they can give fat loots to their buddies in front of everyone and make it look legit. That is why they won't make live events public for everyone.


1/10 - The pirate live events are and have been made public for everyone and don't drop any loot of real consequence. I wish there was an emoticon for a derisive snort. Roll



Then why did you let me blow up a hauler that was carrying 600 PLEX for his "Pirate" buddies after I went out drinking with you the one time? You know when you arranged for that Live Event to take place in a safe spot only me and you had the bookmarks too? You know, you said yo'd do it as long as I let you go on a date with my sister?



(Note: For the dim I need to add this din't actually happen).

So, what you're saying is - your sister's still available? Twisted
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#227 - 2012-10-16 14:55:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
devtip: make sure you can set bounties to certain life event characters (and announce their names) once the system is deployed with retribution

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#228 - 2012-10-17 02:57:11 UTC
Shandir wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Ghostdog9 wrote:


The Devs don't want to give anyone a heads up that isn't in their in-game circle of friends. This is just another way to reward their buddies. Like giving BOB all those BPO's and stuff back in the day. It's a transparent way they can give fat loots to their buddies in front of everyone and make it look legit. That is why they won't make live events public for everyone.


1/10 - The pirate live events are and have been made public for everyone and don't drop any loot of real consequence. I wish there was an emoticon for a derisive snort. Roll



Then why did you let me blow up a hauler that was carrying 600 PLEX for his "Pirate" buddies after I went out drinking with you the one time? You know when you arranged for that Live Event to take place in a safe spot only me and you had the bookmarks too? You know, you said yo'd do it as long as I let you go on a date with my sister?



(Note: For the dim I need to add this din't actually happen).

So, what you're saying is - your sister's still available? Twisted



Yes, for 600 PLEX.

I hope no-one actually coughs that up as I'd have to find a sister.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Pelea Ming
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#229 - 2012-10-17 12:21:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Pelea Ming
As a player who back when the Sansha Incursions were first starting up tried diving into the RP (being an old school table-top RPer), ended up joining the Sansha player side, saw the Devs who at the time were doing things draw this player base in, make some vague promises, then turn around and completely burn them... I'd like to have some sort of idea is this going to be something that players who enjoy being part of the pirate factions for RP purposes would actually see some real support over?

Also, the Event flag you originally linked has only 1 Dev post followed by trolling and then is locked indefinately... did I miss a post to a different thread somewhere? If so, could you repost it in reply to this?

PS: If I come across abit unclear, I'm up rather late for me, going through abit of insomnia, please ask for clarifications if needed.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#230 - 2012-10-17 13:01:19 UTC
Pelea Ming wrote:
As a player who back when the Sansha Incursions were first starting up tried diving into the RP (being an old school table-top RPer), ended up joining the Sansha player side, saw the Devs who at the time were doing things draw this player base in, make some vague promises, then turn around and completely burn them... I'd like to have some sort of idea is this going to be something that players who enjoy being part of the pirate factions for RP purposes would actually see some real support over?

Also, the Event flag you originally linked has only 1 Dev post followed by trolling and then is locked indefinately... did I miss a post to a different thread somewhere? If so, could you repost it in reply to this?

PS: If I come across abit unclear, I'm up rather late for me, going through abit of insomnia, please ask for clarifications if needed.


Glad you're keen to get involved. Just a couple of questions:

1. When you say "players who enjoy being part of the pirate factions for RP purposes would actually see some real support over", I'd like you to be more specific by what you mean by real support. Examples, or even a list of expectations, would be great.

2, Which "Event flag" are you referring to?

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#231 - 2012-10-17 13:11:05 UTC
Ghostdog9 wrote:
Skooma Steve wrote:
when a mothership shows up maybe have it get cyno'd in using dev hacks to use cyno's in high sec. It would give role players and people who participate in live events a chance to get a good heads up and form a fleet, without someone just telling them whats about to happen.. and also give them a chance to intercept these forces before they can reach their target..





The Devs don't want to give anyone a heads up that isn't in their in-game circle of friends. This is just another way to reward their buddies. Like giving BOB all those BPO's and stuff back in the day. It's a transparent way they can give fat loots to their buddies in front of everyone and make it look legit. That is why they won't make live events public for everyone.

This post is dumber than most youtube comments
Pelea Ming
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#232 - 2012-10-17 13:13:53 UTC
*hates hates hates forums* umm... the flag was the one linked somewhere near the beginning of all of this and mentioned as being a place to monitor for when events would happen.... *sucks at finding things on forums (sorry)*

As for support, well, for a brief time period, the Devs during the Sansha Inc live events were including the Sansha players as members of the invading force, having even made promises to figure out a way to flag them as part of the event so that not only did the NPCs not shoot at them, but possibly even set it up so that they could fire back at the other players shooting at the NPCs even though it was in HS, and there were even some rumors that perhaps there might eventually develop a way to actually join the NPC pirate faction corps (though that last part was strictly rumor mill)

In short, I'm (p)fishing abit here, to see what you have in mind to keep this from being what last time I was involved in these things went from starting out with all sorts of promises to a pretty dead fish.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#233 - 2012-10-17 13:20:43 UTC
Pelea Ming wrote:
*hates hates hates forums* umm... the flag was the one linked somewhere near the beginning of all of this and mentioned as being a place to monitor for when events would happen.... *sucks at finding things on forums (sorry)*

As for support, well, for a brief time period, the Devs during the Sansha Inc live events were including the Sansha players as members of the invading force, having even made promises to figure out a way to flag them as part of the event so that not only did the NPCs not shoot at them, but possibly even set it up so that they could fire back at the other players shooting at the NPCs even though it was in HS, and there were even some rumors that perhaps there might eventually develop a way to actually join the NPC pirate faction corps (though that last part was strictly rumor mill)

In short, I'm (p)fishing abit here, to see what you have in mind to keep this from being what last time I was involved in these things went from starting out with all sorts of promises to a pretty dead fish.


Are you referring to this post?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2007823#post2007823

Those arent specific threads, they are forums where we will post relevant info.

As to your other question, for the very reason you felt so aggrieved before, I will make absolutely no promises to any effect until we have concrete plans in motion. As far as I am concerned, you side with pirates at your own risk Pirate, at least for the time being. We have had more support for the pirates in recent events than the poor people they're attacking though!

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Pelea Ming
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#234 - 2012-10-17 13:36:12 UTC
Yes, it was the links in that post you linked, and when I clicked on the one at the top with a flag on it, though, there was nothing in it... or should I be looking for a different link on the destination site?
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#235 - 2012-10-17 13:41:50 UTC
Pelea Ming wrote:
Yes, it was the links in that post you linked, and when I clicked on the one at the top with a flag on it, though, there was nothing in it... or should I be looking for a different link on the destination site?


Well for instance, the thread started by me on that forum called "Guristas message of intent spotted" was about an event.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Pelea Ming
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#236 - 2012-10-17 13:56:48 UTC
Ok, so I should watch it for new posts by the Devs then, is it listed by most recent at the top, or oldest at the top?
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#237 - 2012-10-17 14:03:22 UTC
Pelea Ming wrote:
Ok, so I should watch it for new posts by the Devs then, is it listed by most recent at the top, or oldest at the top?


We might not always post, that was just one way we were trying out. Other times we have relied on players to leak or uncover certain communications. There's no cookie cutter thing I can tell you right now because we're trying a bunch of new things. We also post on the Intergalactic Summit in-character, which doesn't show devtags.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Pelea Ming
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#238 - 2012-10-17 14:06:45 UTC
Ahhhs. Well, I have joined the Live Events channel, and I'll monitor that list as well, hopefully between the two I won't miss much. On a side note, I noticed a player who had managed to miss out about the incursions stuff earlier, and sent them an evemail that I hope they take advantage of offering to help them with information about incursions, the current communities for it, and all, I hope he takes me up on the offer!

Also, LOVE how responsive you guys have been, even trying to give the obvious trolls a fair shake over it all, definately much more PC then I'd have been *winks* Well, look forward to having some fun, fly safe or dangerous as your preference is!
Pelea Ming
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#239 - 2012-10-17 14:41:17 UTC
and for those monitoring this thread, thar be lil ol birdies flittering about, chirping that the bunnies are gathering about the Ihakana system sometime Thursday in preperation for another uprising! Now, personally, atm, I'm nuetral to either side, so lessee who drops me some feelers :)
Midori Amiiko
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#240 - 2012-11-05 03:55:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Midori Amiiko
If you want to have some fun "spreading the dificulty" how about an attack on rookie systems during one of these events? Something low difficulty that happens an hour into the "real" event that gets the noobs into the mix. Ideally, all the experienced players will be headed towards the first event when the second occurs.

Along the incursion line of thought, I'd like to see the sleepers attack a system, either from a plex in a system or through a wormhole...maybe through several holes? Players would have to scan down the hole, fight through different classes of w-space and take out a site in a c-5 to end the attack, so it would have escalation elements.



edited for stupid spelling errors