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CCP Focuses on EVE Universe - A CCP Announcement

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#281 - 2011-10-19 19:49:25 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
We stand behind our decisions and trust that it will ultimately bring you, the EVE community, a better game.



Yeah can you maybe get someone new to make the decisions you stand behind? I think it will do CCP a world of good.

I cant see why you trust decisions that drive you off cliff into the Atlantic in winter?

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
#282 - 2011-10-19 19:50:10 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
- CCP did not ADD resources to EVE, they cut resources overall. This wasn't a "we will move 80% of our vampire wranglers to deliver WiS for example, or teach them how to makes FiS stuff". This is we are chopping up decks on our steamship to throw into the fire to keep the pumps running.


Adding resources to a late project will make it more late. As in, beyond a certain level, overhead will eat all gains of additional manpower. Specially if the frameworks differ (hopefully not much due to CARBON, though) since a dev teaching new people on how things work is a dev not working on the project. I understand that CCP will be after these layoffs about as large as they were around the launch of Apocrypha and the development of Dominion. With possibly some extra load put by getting DUST out.

My condolences to everyone who lost their jobs today. Hopefully you can find new work soon. As for the rest, hopefully in the reorganization CCP can shorten the lines between Management and People Who Do Actual Work as well as Management and the community. Playing broken telephone belongs to somewhere else than game industry.
Grady Eltoren
Hogyoku
#283 - 2011-10-19 19:53:21 UTC
Shaera Taam wrote:
Xiaodown wrote:

CCP ATL EMPLOYEES

The software shop I work for is looking for developers, and we have positions open in Atlanta (Duluth / Suwanee area), as well as Southwestern Virginia (about 5-6 hours from ATL).

We're primarily interested in .NET, Java, Python, and PHP devs. I think it's possible we may have some design positions, but not in any 3d space (no animation, motion capture, etc). We compete in the cloud industry.


now THAT is cool!

i may not be a fan of test or dreddit in-game, but this game community is awesome!


heywatiaminit!


this may sound silly, but what about a PLEX for Pinkslips?

i donate IRL to help those in need... why not in my favorite game too?



Wow - two great posts! Cheers to Xiaodown! Also - I love Shaera's idea - Count me in!

Also - if anyone at the CCP ATL office is looking for something completely different....like in AVIATION in Atlanta, let me know in game. I may be able to help with employment at Airlines in Atlanta.

All my best to the employees who may get cut. I would like to think CCP doesn't have to cut ANYONE in order to retrench though, but the letter release was VERY succinct and I agree with the logic of refocusing on EVE/DUST. One thing at a time - slow and steady - will get you there.
Grady Eltoren
Hogyoku
#284 - 2011-10-19 20:04:32 UTC
Ilkahn wrote:

I readily admit that i want to see DUST, i'd like to see it in a PC version as well. Imagine Capsuleers and Dust marines in stations... bar fights, oh BOY!

This is the stuff dreams are made of and i fully believe CCP can bring them to us!



That's what I am talking about. Maybe CCP will refocus and bring us a PC version. : ) Bar fights between pilots and marines commence!


::Some seedy bar in Amake::

"You said you would back me up with Air support!" - Marine

"I did, just a little later than planned - you're alive aren't you!?" - Pilot

"Half my men had to re-clone and lost all there stuff; months worth of work because of you! You SOFAB arrogant pilot!" - Marine as he lunges forward with fist's drawn.

Incarna can have some great benefits! : )
Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#285 - 2011-10-19 20:06:53 UTC
Overstretched so cutting staff?

It sounds to me as if something is inherently wrong within CCP; structurally, strategically and culturally. I would also question why such a move is being announced here on the forums? Is this some form of guilt trip against the player base? "Look what you've made us do!"

I feel bitterly sorry for those staff who are loosing their careers. It will be scant comfort to them that they too are now the very real (as opposed to virtual) victims of CCPs management team. It was this team who decided to treat EVEs customer base as a 'golden goose', this team that decided to turn a deaf ear to the players requests for a perfectly achievable process of gradual iteration and this team who thought introducing the most expensive micro transactions in the pantheon of MMOs right in the middle of a global depression.

I hope, for the sake of those about to loose their jobs that CCP reconsiders its strategy with a bit more thought, patience and a lot less fear.

Greed is Good eh?

C.
Melissa Blick
Blick Family Enterprises
#286 - 2011-10-19 20:07:29 UTC
My annual subscription ended in August. I did not resub. For the past few months, I have been liquidating assets into PLEX to slowly let the account die a natural death. I curtailed my play time to mostly updating the queue.

After reading about the , I realised that CCP was seriously hurt in the past two months. While I am still upset, I want CCP to continue to develop eve. I feel like they are making a honest effort to turn things around. I plan to buy another annual subscription next month.
Miraqu
Kneipenterroristen.
#287 - 2011-10-19 20:09:02 UTC
I feel for the employees who lost their job.
Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#288 - 2011-10-19 20:11:46 UTC
Melissa Blick wrote:
My annual subscription ended in August. I did not resub. For the past few months, I have been liquidating assets into PLEX to slowly let the account die a natural death. I curtailed my play time to mostly updating the queue.

After reading about the , I realised that CCP was seriously hurt in the past two months. While I am still upset, I want CCP to continue to develop eve. I feel like they are making a honest effort to turn things around. I plan to buy another annual subscription next month.


Interesting time to claim you're going to resub. As well as your first post on the forums.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#289 - 2011-10-19 20:13:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
STAY THE COURSE!

Show's that CCP has poor FUNDAMENTALS, and is living too much on shakey financials.

STAY THE COURSE PEOPLE!

If all it took was 3 months of stopped subscriptions to fire 20%, imagine what another 3 months or 6 months cancellations can do.

Shakey financials are shakey, fundamentals are king on ANY financial investment :)


Desperate montlty PLEX bulk offers, shows the desperate situation.

Keep the pressure on.

Ship spinning won't save Eve, again FUNDAMENTALS are king, not some bread and circuses visual eye candy.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#290 - 2011-10-19 20:14:08 UTC
Mithfindel wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
- CCP did not ADD resources to EVE, they cut resources overall. This wasn't a "we will move 80% of our vampire wranglers to deliver WiS for example, or teach them how to makes FiS stuff". This is we are chopping up decks on our steamship to throw into the fire to keep the pumps running.


Adding resources to a late project will make it more late. As in, beyond a certain level, overhead will eat all gains of additional manpower. Specially if the frameworks differ (hopefully not much due to CARBON, though) since a dev teaching new people on how things work is a dev not working on the project. I understand that CCP will be after these layoffs about as large as they were around the launch of Apocrypha and the development of Dominion. With possibly some extra load put by getting DUST out.

My condolences to everyone who lost their jobs today. Hopefully you can find new work soon. As for the rest, hopefully in the reorganization CCP can shorten the lines between Management and People Who Do Actual Work as well as Management and the community. Playing broken telephone belongs to somewhere else than game industry.


I manage software projects for a living and have for 33 years. So I get the whole "mythical man month" concept of adding folks to a project not making it come together any sooner. That said, the vampire folks would be totally up to speed on the technology that was promised to devliver WiS. If CCP was serious about ever delivering that they could have moved folks to that effort. This is more proof we will never see WiS. That CCP has abandoned it. I am sure the art pipeline for Eve and WoD is similar enough the the art assets would also directly improve the ability to deliver FiS content, especially since we have been told things like POS improvements are blocked by the ability to deliver the art.

Also CCP let several folks directly related to Eve go, including some community devs. This is not a refocus on Eve, this is a "we are going down, we are out of ballast so we need to throw some crew out of the dirrigible to survive!" moment. And oh, "don't touch our favorite part of our anvil collection! That stays in the blimp!"

To the folks that lost your jobs, I wish you the best of luck, I've already seen at least one post where a potential employer solicited resumes. Hang in there and hopefully soon you'll be back at delivering stuff to entertain and ammuse us, even if it isn't in the Eve 'verse.

Issler
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#291 - 2011-10-19 20:14:45 UTC
Verone wrote:

I'm astonished at some of the names that have come up that are being released from the Company.

It's a real shock, because most of these names have been people who've lived, breathed and slept Eve for over half a decade and have always had Eve's core values in their hearts and the best for Eve and CCP at the forefront of their minds.

While downsizing a little is good, whoever decided who was to go, needs a serious reality check.

This is an immense mistake, CCP. In the long run it's probably a bigger mistake than the early release of Incarna.

Have to agree with you on this one.
Some of those people have been the symbol of the real ccp dev for years

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Magnus Orin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#292 - 2011-10-19 20:17:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Orin
Gilentajsa wrote:
I hope all you FiS crybabys are happy now, you've lost real people their jobs, you know, real people with parents and children and siblings. People with bills to pay and mouths to feed and you weren't content to let things move forward, you just had to whine and cry until you forced CCP's hand.

Sad thing is I'm betting most of you don't even really care, you're just offering your condolences for show.


I am a social democrat. I believe everyone should be paid a fair wage, and enjoy job security.

But I don't pay CCP (3 accounts) to subsidize someone else's life. I pay my taxes to do that.

I pay CCP to enjoy a video game about flying space ships in space.

If CCP stops providing me enjoyment for my money, I stop giving them my money.

Fuck off with your bullshit about me costing real people real jobs because I cancelled 2 of my 3 accounts.
DJ Xaphod
Eve Radio Corporation
#293 - 2011-10-19 20:17:29 UTC
I don't understand how laying off people who are in the EVE community team* is sharpening your focus on EVE.
If that truly were your goal then you would not be laying off anyone who is working on either EVE or Dust 514 and would only be laying off WoD related staff.

How is laying off extremely well respected EVE community staff members working towards your stated goal, which is to "enrich the vast EVE Universe by strengthening the continuous development of EVE Online"?

So basically CCP, I don't believe that your motives behind your laying off of staff are what you claim they are, and in the face of the evidence I have strong doubts that this will represent a focus on the EVE Universe.

I would strongly recommend a public statement explaining why when claiming you are "strengthening the continuous development of EVE Online" you have actively reduced the size of the EVE Online team.
I would also recommend stating clearly why trusted and respected community staff members are part of the layoffs when doing so is so heavily contrary to the statments within CCP Hellmar's letter:

Quote:
Red flags raised by very smart people both at CCP and in the community went unheeded because of my stubborn refusal to allow adversity to gain purchase on our plans. Mistakes, even when they were acknowledged, often went unanalyzed, leaving the door open for them to be repeated.

Surely laying off possibly the most active and trusted member of the community team will lead to more such mistakes?

Quote:
Part of what led us down this path is the fact we have not communicated well.

And laying off members of the community team will help with that? I struggle to see how.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#294 - 2011-10-19 20:19:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
PAY TO WIN is coming still, via Dust :)

But please continue spinning your ships as a visual distraction :)

STAY THE COURSE!

Stop pumping NEW money into Eve, use the OLD money.
Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
#295 - 2011-10-19 20:21:20 UTC
Quote:
Developing EVE expansions, DUST 514 and World of Darkness has stretched our resources too thin.

You didn't stretch your resources thin. You stretched your money thin. There's a difference. I can't see how a 20% reduction in staff - your actual resource for development - will improve the rate of development on any of your projects, seeing how $50 bills can't code spaceship games. Reallocating those developers to work on Eve content could, in theory.

Quote:
This will enable us to accelerate timeframes for new features and increase our ability to respond to community needs.

Not only will this "acceleration" be marginal at best, but you'll be able to respond to our community needs by laying off community reps, especially ones who actually had dedication to the community and were there with us even when the rest of CCP had their fingers in their ears, shouting, "LALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU 18 MONTHS DEAL WITH IT HTFU." Makes sense to me. Oh, wait, no it doesn't.


You're bailing water out of a sinking ship, CCP, but the reason it's sinking is your lack of preventative maintenance to begin with. Anyone who thinks the players are to blame is a fool; this would have happened eventually.

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Barakkus
#296 - 2011-10-19 20:22:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakkus
Miilla wrote:
PLAY TO WIN is coming still, via Dust :)

But please continue spinning your ships as a visual distraction :)

STAY THE COURSE!

Stop pumping NEW money into Eve, use the OLD money..


I always play to win, sorry if you play to lose all the time.

...damn you for editing before I quoted...,

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#297 - 2011-10-19 20:23:45 UTC
20% of overweight overpaid people fired.

My pet rock's heart is bleeding.
Myxx
The Scope
#298 - 2011-10-19 20:24:35 UTC
WTF CCP. You got rid of people that worked on EVE while refocusing on EVE?

WTF!

Hammerhead, Wrangler, Fallout, Zymurgist and Gnauton to name a few.

WTF!
Magnus Orin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#299 - 2011-10-19 20:26:12 UTC
Flamewave wrote:
Quote:
Developing EVE expansions, DUST 514 and World of Darkness has stretched our resources too thin.

You didn't stretch your resources thin. You stretched your money thin. There's a difference.


No there is not.

Money = Resources. Resources = Money.

People and employees can be considered resources yes, but it requires money (salary/benefits) to keep them on a project.

Resources always equals money.

How do people in the thread not get that?
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#300 - 2011-10-19 20:28:52 UTC
Miilla wrote:
20% of overweight overpaid people fired.

My pet rock's heart is bleeding.



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