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Year to year subs up, peak subs down.

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Lexmana
#21 - 2011-10-19 19:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
EvE is not dying - at least you can't say that from the numbers. With all time high subs and PCU this year it is very much alive at least commercially. Though number fluctuate and Incarna was obviously a failure but winter is coming and it is the prime time of the year for EvE so I wouldn't be surprised if next year ses another all time high.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#22 - 2011-10-19 20:19:17 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
Our subscriber numbers are higher today than they were a year ago. Unlike many other MMO's on the market, we have continued to grow year-on-year since launch in 2003. However, over the past two months, our subscribers have gone down from their peak this summer. We attribute this to our own mistakes and poor communications with our players. We are correcting that now.


Funny, when I said that people pulled out a bunch of charts they made and then told me I didn't know how to read them. I am just dying to hear what people are saying about the same thing when CCP dictates it.

Eve is dying. This is proof. [sic]




lol. Yeah right. EvE is dying?

Subs were at all time high this summer and PCU record was set Januari this year. Are these the signs of a dying game? And before you say that it has gone down lately you should know that it is perfectly normal for numbers to fluctuate which means they ALWAYS goes down after a new record is set.

Winter is prime time for EvE and last i heard winter is coming soon.

Yes, incarna was a failure and they lost some because of it. But that does not mean it is dying.

Now go and find some more drama.


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In other words Eve is NOT dying.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Lexmana
#23 - 2011-10-19 20:23:38 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:

In other words Eve is NOT dying.




Yeah, sorry about that. Wasn't paying attention. Never play and post at the same time :p. Didn't see the irony until too late. Did correct my post but you got a copy of it befor my edit.

Cheers,
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-10-19 20:30:19 UTC
White Tree wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
White Tree wrote:
I see that you are smug about people losing their jobs. I bet you feel really clever about it.


You are one of the people that called for CCP relocate assets, and I was one of the people against it. And I was chastised heavily for being against it.

This is an eve is dying/not dying thread, which is what i was being smug about. Keep the political stuff in the political thread.



The CSM did not call for people to be fired. The CSM did not call for people in community to slander their favorite games developer publicly and loudly over an optional vanity cash shop.

CCP are absolutely not free from blame here, but we, as members of the community, need to support CCP in this time of uncertainty. Anything less than this is selfish, disgusting and petulant infantile behavior and I will not associate myself with it.

I intend to use what little power I have to promote this game moreso than I ever have before.


No but you stood by while the game slowly disintegrates into what it is today. If for a second you think you are not part of the problem you are completely insane. There is plenty of blame to go around and the useless CSM are in that boat as well. Promoting EVE? Hey I have some great stock in a company named Enron id like to sell you. You can thank me later.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-10-19 20:37:51 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
White Tree wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
White Tree wrote:
I see that you are smug about people losing their jobs. I bet you feel really clever about it.


You are one of the people that called for CCP relocate assets, and I was one of the people against it. And I was chastised heavily for being against it.

This is an eve is dying/not dying thread, which is what i was being smug about. Keep the political stuff in the political thread.



The CSM did not call for people to be fired. The CSM did not call for people in community to slander their favorite games developer publicly and loudly over an optional vanity cash shop.

CCP are absolutely not free from blame here, but we, as members of the community, need to support CCP in this time of uncertainty. Anything less than this is selfish, disgusting and petulant infantile behavior and I will not associate myself with it.

I intend to use what little power I have to promote this game moreso than I ever have before.



You are a major part of the problem if you actually think this way.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Xymethian
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-10-19 21:36:18 UTC
Reverand Pastor wrote:
No but you stood by while the game slowly disintegrates into what it is today.

Do you realize that CCP doesn't have to get permission from the CSM before it does anything? You're insane if you think the CSM is in any way responsible for what's happening at CCP.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-10-19 21:38:01 UTC
Xymethian wrote:
Reverand Pastor wrote:
No but you stood by while the game slowly disintegrates into what it is today.

Do you realize that CCP doesn't have to get permission from the CSM before it does anything? You're insane if you think the CSM is in any way responsible for what's happening at CCP.


I think its pretty clear that CCP doesn't listen to anyone or anything other then their own echo now.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-19 21:41:13 UTC
Reverand Pastor wrote:
No but you stood by while the game slowly disintegrates into what it is today. If for a second you think you are not part of the problem you are completely insane. There is plenty of blame to go around and the useless CSM are in that boat as well. Promoting EVE? Hey I have some great stock in a company named Enron id like to sell you. You can thank me later.

I see a lot of bad posting on these forums but you, sir, are in a league of your own. Congratulations are in order for your work in expanding the field of bad posting to new depths.

:cripes:
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-10-19 21:49:38 UTC
So whats is worse? My bad posting or you responding to a bad post? think about it. Either way my point still stands. Blaming the average player for the state of EVE when you are looking these same people in the face at fanfest and doing nothing is complete crap. CSM has been a joke from the beggining if you dont want to believe that fine. I still have thos e stocks btw. Cant miss
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2011-10-19 21:52:04 UTC
+1 in a monocotroll thread.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-10-19 21:53:54 UTC
Reverand Pastor wrote:
So whats is worse? My bad posting or you responding to a bad post?

Trust me. Your bad posting is worse.

You also have no idea what you're talking about with the CSM ranting.
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-10-19 21:58:58 UTC
is that all you got? if you agree or not is a side point but you have to come better than the generic crap you came up with. I have faith in you little guy enlighten the community please.
Djavo
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#33 - 2011-10-19 22:02:19 UTC
White Tree wrote:
I see that you are smug about people losing their jobs. I bet you feel really clever about it.


The real world is even more cruel then EVE, tough tit's tbh.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-10-19 22:29:06 UTC
Reverand Pastor wrote:
is that all you got? if you agree or not is a side point but you have to come better than the generic crap you came up with. I have faith in you little guy enlighten the community please.

With every post you get worse at posting. It's like a posting bot with an evil AI.
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#35 - 2011-10-19 22:33:25 UTC
TRONLEONEONBLADE wrote:
I sold a char for 18 bill and used it to buy enough GTC's to keep my main account going for almost next 2 years. :)
so, you demonstrated your dissatisfaction with CCP's course of action by giving them another 18 bill in GTC's?

You really showed them. Way to stick it to the man.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-10-19 23:22:42 UTC
Pesky LaRue wrote:
TRONLEONEONBLADE wrote:
I sold a char for 18 bill and used it to buy enough GTC's to keep my main account going for almost next 2 years. :)
so, you demonstrated your dissatisfaction with CCP's course of action by giving them another 18 bill in GTC's?

You really showed them. Way to stick it to the man.



If he sits on them and never cashes them in it actually messes up accounting for CCP.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-10-19 23:31:04 UTC
Besides the "Gem" that the playerbase is to blame from the CSM in the thread has there been any response from them?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#38 - 2011-10-19 23:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
White Tree wrote:
... support CCP in this time of uncertainty. ...


I thought that CCP was finally waking up and getting back on the right track?

What job roles were dropped? Is that maybe not a team from a direction the company is pulling back from?
Game development teams move from company to company, make an expansion, move on, make a new engine, move on. There is maybe 25% of those in the MMO business who have stable jobs through the years.

Edit:

I want to make a note, that PLEX prices are going up. This could be due to a few reasons:

1) Less supply
2) Someone buying low and selling high
3) People are using up the PLEX instead of paying game time more than ever
4) Less paying players with accounts that want to finance ISK via PLEX.
5) Fall out from the Incarna expansion and PLEX market.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Miklas Laces
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-10-20 00:31:03 UTC
White Tree wrote:
I see that you are smug about people losing their jobs. I bet you feel really clever about it.

Being happy because CCP gets owned hard for its mistakes doesn't mean I am also happy for people who lost their jobs.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#40 - 2011-10-20 00:34:45 UTC
Miklas Laces wrote:

Being happy because CCP gets owned hard for its mistakes doesn't mean I am also happy for people who lost their jobs.



... i.e. company as an entity versus individuals.

In the orient, if a company suffers financially, their first step is to slash management salaries because they are not leading the company in the right direction. Retrenchment is a last resort and those employees are first for re-hiring if things improve.

In the West? We cut off our feet because we want more blood for our swollen heads.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.