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Week old character PvPing possible?

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Black Greaser
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-11-04 22:22:01 UTC
Can a very young character PvP with a group?

All the corporations that describe themselves as PvP operations seem to have SP minimums.

I don't care about my win/loss ratio, and I acknowledge I am terrible at eve. I just want to shoot people.

Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#2 - 2012-11-04 22:26:47 UTC
Join RvB for that sort of stuff.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#3 - 2012-11-04 22:37:59 UTC
It is possible to be a first week PVPer in a group, but very difficult to solo. There are a number of player run "trainer corps" that specialize in helping new pilots get a feel for the game. EVE University and Red vs. Blue (which is 2 seperate alliances) are the most reputable.

Black Greaser wrote:
I don't care about my win/loss ratio, and I acknowledge I am terrible at eve. I just want to shoot people.


This is actually the healthiest attitude a budding PVPer can have. You will die a lot, but getting over risk-aversion is what leads to the best fights and is an important development in a person's EVE career. Enthusiasm mixed with humility is good P
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-11-04 22:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Black Greaser wrote:
Can a very young character PvP with a group?

All the corporations that describe themselves as PvP operations seem to have SP minimums.

I don't care about my win/loss ratio, and I acknowledge I am terrible at eve. I just want to shoot people.



Yes.

No matter what age you are in game you can ALWAYS PvP. Okay, you might be limited in the ships you can fly, you might not be doing a hell of a lot DPS etc etc. But as long as you have fun with the others, you can PvP.

A 2 day old character can perfectly fit a frigate with a warp disruptor / warp scrambler and play the Hero-tackle role. Just in your first days expect to die quite often.

As for that minimum SP limit. That comes down to 3 basics:

1.) That corporation flies a certain kind of fleet (or fleets) and those require some amount of skillpoints at minimum to join in on it. They are flying those cause they work well and they aren't a new-player friendly PvP corporation.

2.) They kind of protect against spy alts. Usually (but not always) a spy alt is created and dumped into another corp/alliance to gather intel. These low SP spy alts can be sorted out from recruitment by having an SP limit.

3.) Self sustain ability. Usually you will see that minimum SP required in a lot of null-sec corporations, this is for own protection (see point 2) but also for the protection of the recruit. In a frigate and with only a couple of days in EVE you will have a hard time living in null-sec (harder rats, not really understanding game mechanics, not a really good seeded market - specially for the amount of skillbooks you need)

As suggested, RvB would suit your needs quite well as far as I can see now.

RvB are 2 alliances (How obvious it's Red Federation and Blue Republic) that are in constant war with each other (and others of course) just to provide the ability to shoot people in high-sec. And with the war against each other (so not the 3rd party wars) there are also rules that prevent you from having to watch your back every single second in EVE.

They are all about PvP for fun and doing a great job at it. Just keep in mind, RvB are NOT a training corps, they will help you with PvP but they aren't specially designed as a training corporation.

Take a look at them here: http://rvbeve.com/forums/

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Bombardier Blackwood
TOYS R US.
#5 - 2012-11-04 22:44:57 UTC
Best way to get started is just go for it. Within a week you can be running a decent frigate to go out looking for scraps in lowsec.

Money will be an issue unless you buy timecodes and sell the PLEX.
Do a bit of googling or look here on the forums and find out some effective ways of PvP'ing solo, or do as I did in the first week and find someone to roam with.

Rule 1: Expect to die!
1.a. A LOT!

:D

Eagles of Essence Recruitment: Open

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-05 01:40:26 UTC
Black Greaser wrote:

I don't care about my win/loss ratio, and I acknowledge I am terrible at eve. I just want to shoot people.


Put an add in the Recruitment subforum

specify that you are
a) a new player
b) looking for a pvp focused corp
c) prepared to explode a lot

someone will either reply in your thread, or msg you ingame
reset your CPSA charge to 0


nb
corps might have xSP specified, although it isn't always a neccesity.
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC
#7 - 2012-11-05 02:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Gibbo5771
Yes a 1 week old character can PvP and its the best time to start, the sooner you shrug off death the better.

The longer you let it hold you down the worse it gets, if you really want to learn "PVP" then I personally can suggest NOT joining RvB, it used to be good but now its just x amount of ships blobbing another x amount of ships.

I also suggest AVOIDING 0.0 alliances completely, not only do 90% of them not understand basic pvp most of the FC's cant command a fleet to save themself.

The best bet is to start pvp'in around busy areas, get to know areas and the people that occupy those areas. Learn to exploit large clunky and unorganized gangs and eventually look for a specialized pvp corp, advertise for one if you need to.

Need anymore info just contact Gibbo3771 in-game (if not online, fire me a mail), ill take you for a spin to nullsecs all expenses paid.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-11-05 05:00:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Quote:
All the corporations that describe themselves as PvP operations seem to have SP minimums.


A lot of them, but far from all. Example: The one I'm in.

Quote:
I don't care about my win/loss ratio


Good PVPers tend to lose a lot of ships. Relentlessly avoiding any fight that you have a hope of losing won't make you good, and I would strongly hesitate to call any organization that seriously cares about kill/death ratio "good".
Black Greaser
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-11-05 07:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Greaser
Quite a few responses here.

Right now I am just training basic skills to fly a Rifter, which from what I hear is a very solid frigate.

Some folks I have talked to in game seem to have a similar opinion of RvB as Gibbo. That said, it does sound like there would be no lack of people to shoot at.

I will make a post over on the recruitment forums for sure, and see whats out there.

I am certainly interested in taking you up on your offer Gibbo5771. Expect a mail in the next few days.

I looked over your corp website Kahega, and you guys sound right up my alley. I'll get into your channel when I can. The faction warfare thing sounds pretty cool. I know a bit about the races in eve, but I didn't know you could actually fight for the faction of your choosing; I thought they were just background noise.

Edit: Turning the contact charge off.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-11-05 08:01:25 UTC
Gibbo5771 wrote:
Yes a 1 week old character can PvP and its the best time to start, the sooner you shrug off death the better.

The longer you let it hold you down the worse it gets, if you really want to learn "PVP" then I personally can suggest NOT joining RvB, it used to be good but now its just x amount of ships blobbing another x amount of ships.

I also suggest AVOIDING 0.0 alliances completely, not only do 90% of them not understand basic pvp most of the FC's cant command a fleet to save themself.

The best bet is to start pvp'in around busy areas, get to know areas and the people that occupy those areas. Learn to exploit large clunky and unorganized gangs and eventually look for a specialized pvp corp, advertise for one if you need to.

Need anymore info just contact Gibbo3771 in-game (if not online, fire me a mail), ill take you for a spin to nullsecs all expenses paid.


That's why in RvB you can also only do the arranged 1v1 (or 2v2 etc)

Doing that with someone who is also willing to show you how you could have done better after the fight etc will make you learn PvP.

Blob warfare isn't PvP, it's who brings most wins.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Keno Skir
#11 - 2012-11-05 11:23:27 UTC
+1 for the attitude man.

Get hold of me in game and we can all lose some ships :D
Charles Burger
Reckless Abandon
#12 - 2012-11-05 11:51:01 UTC
That is not my experience of RvB at all. But yes, it is not the same as "normal" PVP. For example podding and ECM modules are not allowed because they are no fun. It is not "victory at any costs", but to ensure fun is had by both sides, winner and loser. You will learn PVP but if you move on to "normal" PVP you might find it quite different.

There is usually communication between red and blue FC's. Sometimes it is to arranged a very structured fight, such as meet in system X at planet Y with A frigates, B destroyers and C cruisers. Sometimes it is just to say we are going to roam and run into each other, if you want to know fleet comp then get a scout. Usually it is somewhere in between, where fleet size and comp are roughly balanced... if one side has 30 and the other has 20, the undermanned fleet will up-ship to cruisers, or the larger fleet will down-ship to frigs, and then we will hunt each other. This means it is not a case of biggest blob wins, but rather who target calls better, has the most coordinated fire, reships fastest, controls range best... ie. tactics.

I would say the biggest obstacle to new players doing PVP is money. A cheap fitted frig costs about half a mil, and you might lose 6 in an hour. To an older player that is nothing, but a new player might find that too expensive. I would recommend getting at least a lump sum of cash or a steady income stream together, before embarking on PVP. Either that or make another character... one to earn ISK, the other to blow it on PVP.
Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#13 - 2012-11-05 15:16:50 UTC
Berendas wrote:
It is possible to be a first week PVPer in a group, but very difficult to solo.


It's always difficult to solo. Soloing is only for the few, the chosen.
Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#14 - 2012-11-08 17:21:37 UTC
Love the attitude, come to Hevrice and I'll teach you a few tricks.

Also keep an eye open for our next frigfest free for all, free ships and a massive four hour fight, Its fun.

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