Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Good for you, now make them again. I'm not going to go through years of your posting to find them, especially not when your current display of argumentative power has been nothing but slippery slope arguments.

Ok Zim, you win. How about this mod:

Make Local like WHLocal and add:

Improving Resolution Active Radar

This is a basically a simplification of Nikk's idea and an extension of the current probe mechanics.

There are at least two (but possibly three or more more) distance thresholds upon crossing which a detectable target appears as a blip. As the target gets closer to your ship, more information becomes available.

So for most ships (maybe not starter frigates) the max distance threshold might be huge. Like 2-5 AU. Something huge. But on the radar you can only see a sphere within which something might be.

As the target enters the next threshold (you are closer to it) maybe 15-30 km the sphere resolves to a much smaller radius, eventually refiining down to a targetable blip that appears on Overview.

Cloaked ships do not appear at the outer threshold and appear as a large sphere as they get into your closer range thresholds.
They are still not targetable.

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Does this sound better to you? Now you can just see that *something* is there, but you don't know who or where exactly.

At this point, even if they realize it, I doubt they are going to care. These no-local guys are almost all lone wolf highsec dwellers. They want to grind out easy isk in highsec and still feel entitled to go into nullsec unimpeded and find a soft target with as little time and effort as possible. Some of them might be savvy enough to realize this would allow them to live anywhere in nullsec and essentially make sovereignty pointless.

They don't care if it breaks half the game because, not only are they not team players, they are not even social players. You can see this in how totally blind they are to the risk/reward of nullsec. Just doesn't cross their minds because they are incapable of factoring in why anyone would be doing anything in nullsec other then sitting patiently waiting to become their prey. Or maybe they'll admit reward should be bumped up, but only after increasing the risk to the point that they can get no effort kills.

It is a fundamental difference of view on what nullsec is suppose to be. We think it should be a region for player made empires, player driven content, and reward fitting the risks of living in what is often a state of constant war.

They see it as nothing more than an amateur PvP arena. Some place that can be entered and left at a whim and where the ability to get a kill should be guaranteed. They are so used to having reward handed to them on a plate, as mission agents handing out targets, that they can only see nullsec as a place where they can just jump in and shoot us when ever they feel like it. Like some how we will just spawn there are wait to die like the red crosses in all those mission sites.

Increase low/nul sec population will come at a cost. The cost will be less freedom to grief other players.

Do you want more people in low/nul so that it is more robust? Or do you just want more hapless, helpless victoms to grief?

It is more often than not that pvpers in pvpve style games like EVE, despite what they say (because actions speak louder than words), simply get a sick kick out of ruining someelse's gameplay.

Nothing short of almost a complete overhaul will give low/nul the population that it was designed for, that high sec has.


Take myself. I haven't really done any pvp. A couple friendly fights with a corp mate, a "hydra" roam (which brought to light a major flaw), and a couple run ins in low where there was nothing I could do but sit back and watch (which brough to light another major flaw).


From what I've seen so far is....

Skills train > Modules/Ammo > Ship > Other (Eg. Implants)

Since skills is time based, and very very very lengthy, and this game has been out for what...8 years or more?
When you have more skills trained, more relavent skills trained (Missioner vs Miner), use higher meta modules and use T2 or better ships, then there isn't much a person can do but go get a drink. You'll be back in some station in your med clone by the time you get back at the latest.

Then there is what you can lose. I'm sorry but people say 'don't undock with what you can't afford to lose'. So not only will training a character take years but so should advancing through the ship types? Because to make isk faster (from a missioners point of view) you need to do higher level missions. To do the higher level missions, you need the appropriate ship which means a more expensive ship. Until you start doing the missions with the ship required to do them, your income will not be good enough to be able to afford losing the ship your flying to do the mission. Can you not see the flaw in that? Part of the problem here is the large jumps in the amount of isk that can be earned. Purhaps dividing the missions into 10 levels and have a more gradual increase to the isk that can be made.

Then there is if you try to do this in low/nul. A pve build is needed to earn isk at a decent rate when running missions. A pvp build means sacrficing something. Whether it be dps or tanking (the only two things you need to balance out when pve'ing). If someone comes by in a pvp build, the pve build will get locked down. Now if the pvp build can beat the pve build, the pve goes pop. If the pve build can beat the pvp build, the pvp build warps away since a pve build doesn't include a jammer.

To make decent isk, the pve would have to run the mission solo. If the pvp'er is paired up, then it becomes a numbers game. Two is stronger than one and even in the off chance the one is stronger, the pvp'ers can still warp out. If the pvp waits till the pve'er is in mission, then the pvp can add additional firepower

Then there is travel time. With all the precausions a person is forced to do in low/nul, they lose in the isk/time department when in high sec, I can just warp directly to gates and stations without worry. No need for bookmarks, d scanning gates, etc.


Dying means more in this game than in other games. Too much more IMO. So much so that it is yet another major deterent to going into low/nul. It also makes no difference whether your character has been around since the beginning or just created either. You could talk about the difference in cost between the two but you also need to look at the difference in income.

Is the 50mil med clone a greater loss than a 5 mil? Keeping in mind that the person who needs to pay 5 mil has to spend the same amount of game time playing and saving to cover the cost as the person who requires the 50mil?

The list as to the reasons why most prefer high sec is quite extensive and it would take a massive overhaul to change it all.

I've got it. Here's how to fix the problem. CCP just needs to fill low/null totally full with NPC noobs travelling, mining, hauling, trading and otherwise wandering around waiting to be shot. Then give the NPC a list of things to randomly message to players once it has been shot at:

1. Dude stop!
2. This ship costs so much, please stop!
3. What do you want me to pay you?
4. Shoot somebody else!
5. Mommy! Help me!

And a 1/30 chance of randomly warping in 10 fully fit hurricanes once attacked.

Problem solved.

...Except it isn't, is it? The chief complaint of the nullbears is not that they want more competent people with high skills filling up nullsec, it's that they want new players with young characters who don't know what they're doing to be filling nullsec and providing them with soft targets to take out their sociopathy on. It's the mental attitude of a bored playground bully who's mad at his victims because they have learned to avoid him.

I am in a nullsec corp and except for the sov that I'm allowed into, I hate nullsec. It's highly dangerous, and way overclaimed. There's nothing that isn't being patrolled by groups of older players looking for easy kills. There's nothing new to discover that hasn't already been claimed and dominated by vast alliances. That's why CCP added WH space. It's a place that doesn't suffer from the tyranny of nullsec.

I'm not saying anything so simple. In fact I believe I already said...

'Skills Trained > Modules > Ship > Other

Player skill often trump character skill, modules and ships, even though those things do factor in. A complete idiot in the blingest of bling faction BS or T3 with nothing but faction modules and the strongest drugs can (and often will) still die to a competent player flying in what can often be argued is a much worse ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6so9AT4UydQ

here an idea, make null sec all worm hole space, that can connect to each other, oh and make corp build stargates so that people can warp between owned wormhole spaces and don't have to constantly search for those damn random spawning holes, but oh, you still have to find them and defend them to keep other corp's/alliances from back dooring you and kicking your ass while your pants are down. That way all of null sec and have wormhole based local

I have been an advocate on making nullsec industry and exploration 3-5 times more lucrative than it is now, since I first started researching the issues being discussed here. It's way too difficult to do nullsec fulltime and make a good living.
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No. People who want to take their 1337 skills to defenseless trainees are acting sociopathically. HTFU and attack your equals if you're bored. That's what the Goons do, and I support them. I just don't want a galaxy of Goons.



I enjoy PvP but also other aspects of the game and I enjoy working on those in peace. My corp appreciates my presence. Call me all the names you want, I don't care.

Well, there are way more non-goons in the game, so there is still plenty of opportunity for other players to do there own thing.