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Which implant set (if any) for a Tengu mission runner?

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Cain Tetsuo
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-11-04 11:06:14 UTC
Hi guys,

I'm currently on the long train for a tengu as my main mission and complex runner. I was wondering which set of implants is better for it. The heavy missile set +5% is a given but I can then have the choice of either a crystal or snake set (probably low grade, I'm not spending the better part of 3 billion on implants just yet). Would one or the other be better or would it be overkill for an already awesome ship?
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-11-04 11:46:05 UTC  |  Edited by: TriadSte
The +5s are indeed a must for a top end Tengu.

Personally though and from alot of experience you wont need crystals unless your soloing 8/10s and the 10/10s. Id go into more detail but I have no idea which region your flying in.

A partial low grade crystal set actually is pretty good, alpha through to epsilon gives a huge boost.

The best part of the Tengus tank is the ability to sig tank, Small signature and a 10mn afterburner negates ALOT of incoming DPS. In the 8/10 ded you will be webbed by the bastion so this is where you need more tank and should fit accordingly the same applies to the 10/10 bastions and the big torps which will take 30% of a tanked tengus shields on every volley.

I wouldn't use Snakes on a Tengu, waste of isk..

Partial low grade set of crystals = win.

If your gonna be doing cosmics like hubs,havens,sanctums etc then no crystals are required. You can get a very nice stable tank setup with 2 deadspace small shield boosters and a decent shield boost amp the rest being faction specific hardeners.
Cain Tetsuo
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-11-04 12:02:36 UTC
atm I am looking at this for my basic setup

6 x arbalest heavy launcher (upgrade to t2 once the training is done)
2 x specific hardener
2 x caldari navy boost amp
10mn afterburner II
Medium ancillary shield booster (so i dont have any cap issues)
3 x ballistic control II
Damage control II

Flare catalyst
Rigor catalyst
Loading Bay Accelerator

Subs
augmented capacitor
accelerated ejection
amplification node
cpu efficiency
intercalated nanofibers

This fit is for level 4's and ded up to 5/10 but as im still about 3 weeks away from the training being complete the fit is very fluid and open to being changed. I'm operating in caldari hi sec. Not brave enough to take something this expensive to low or null sec yet.
julia Ohmiras
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-11-04 12:08:33 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
The +5s are indeed a must for a top end Tengu.

Personally though and from alot of experience you wont need crystals unless your soloing 8/10s and the 10/10s. Id go into more detail but I have no idea which region your flying in.

A partial low grade crystal set actually is pretty good, alpha through to epsilon gives a huge boost.

The best part of the Tengus tank is the ability to sig tank, Small signature and a 10mn afterburner negates ALOT of incoming DPS. In the 8/10 ded you will be webbed by the bastion so this is where you need more tank and should fit accordingly the same applies to the 10/10 bastions and the big torps which will take 30% of a tanked tengus shields on every volley.

I wouldn't use Snakes on a Tengu, waste of isk..

Partial low grade set of crystals = win.

If your gonna be doing cosmics like hubs,havens,sanctums etc then no crystals are required. You can get a very nice stable tank setup with 2 deadspace small shield boosters and a decent shield boost amp the rest being faction specific hardeners.


aye, crystals arent even required for soloing 8/10s and 10/10s better to put the isk into a better tank than the implants if your having troubles.
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-11-04 12:15:58 UTC
Cain Tetsuo wrote:
atm I am looking at this for my basic setup

6 x arbalest heavy launcher (upgrade to t2 once the training is done)
2 x specific hardener
2 x caldari navy boost amp
10mn afterburner II
Medium ancillary shield booster (so i dont have any cap issues)
3 x ballistic control II
Damage control II

Flare catalyst
Rigor catalyst
Loading Bay Accelerator

Subs
augmented capacitor
accelerated ejection
amplification node
cpu efficiency
intercalated nanofibers

This fit is for level 4's and ded up to 5/10 but as im still about 3 weeks away from the training being complete the fit is very fluid and open to being changed. I'm operating in caldari hi sec. Not brave enough to take something this expensive to low or null sec yet.


For the love of god don't use an ancillary shield booster...

The rigs are wrong because your using Heavy Missile, which own frigs anyway you don't need Rigors or Flares..
Really if your starting low, just use some capacitor control rigs to get it stable.

Here try this:

Lows

Ballistic control units x 4

Mids

shield boost amp
small shield booster x 2
10mn afterburner
2 faction specific hardeners

Rigs

Capacitor control circuits T1 x 3

Lets take Sansha for example, this setup will tank 300 DPS but dont think of that as raw numbers because you have speed on your side you'll be tanking a great many more then 300 because most hits wont actually hit you.

Once you have some isk you can upgrade the normal boosters and amp to deadspace [they're pretty good value in truth] and those numbers will fly up into the 4 digit DPS tank mark.

Cain Tetsuo
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-11-04 12:28:43 UTC
If I can ask whats wrong with an ancillary booster? I've had great success with the xl version in the past on my battleship fits and it means i can use the rig slots to augment dps rather than capacitor. I know I cant run it permanently like a normal booster but in the other situations ive not had to. The worst mission ive had to do was enemies abound part 5 where i had to run it through two full cycles to keep up with the dps. Having said that I'm still very new to Eve and im building my skills so like i said the fit is very fluid and im open to what should be changed.
Cain Tetsuo
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-11-04 12:29:28 UTC
Oh and isk isnt really a problem, I have plenty of it I just don't want to spend it if i don't have to.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-11-04 14:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: serras bang
Cain Tetsuo wrote:
Hi guys,

I'm currently on the long train for a tengu as my main mission and complex runner. I was wondering which set of implants is better for it. The heavy missile set +5% is a given but I can then have the choice of either a crystal or snake set (probably low grade, I'm not spending the better part of 3 billion on implants just yet). Would one or the other be better or would it be overkill for an already awesome ship?


tbh set of +5%'s rof, explosive rad and velocity and hml (if hml you useing) dmg is all you need crystal and snake are not needed and tbh ide go against em specificly for tengu and mission running as its another 1 - 2 bill on top of the tengu build.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-11-04 15:00:37 UTC
Cain Tetsuo wrote:
If I can ask whats wrong with an ancillary booster? I've had great success with the xl version in the past on my battleship fits and it means i can use the rig slots to augment dps rather than capacitor. I know I cant run it permanently like a normal booster but in the other situations ive not had to. The worst mission ive had to do was enemies abound part 5 where i had to run it through two full cycles to keep up with the dps. Having said that I'm still very new to Eve and im building my skills so like i said the fit is very fluid and im open to what should be changed.


problem with asb is its main pvp orientated not for missions as the cap boosters take up a crap loat of space and your sat without a shield boosting for 30 seconds at a time your best fitting a small pith or med gistum to your tengu
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-11-04 15:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: TriadSte
As other have stated the ASB is for pvp situation not PVE.

Your using the amp node subsystem which bonuses for shield boost rep....yet your not getting that bonus at all whilst using the ASB.

If you want to use the ASB you should buy the adaptive shielding subsystem and gain 5% shield resistance per level.

You really should use the kinda of fit I placed. 2 deadspace small boosters with 1 shield boost amp work really very very well indeed and be is also cap stable.

You could also use a Large shield booster setup but that limits you to 5 launchers so the DPS is a bit lacking. Thats why I prefer the 2 small boosters. You get the very best of Gank and Tank.
Cain Tetsuo
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-11-04 16:20:42 UTC
Thanks for the input, I will have to see what I can fit when my skill catch up with my ambition.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-11-04 16:49:57 UTC
Cain Tetsuo wrote:
Thanks for the input, I will have to see what I can fit when my skill catch up with my ambition.


ill place the fit i use in a few hours when im on eve for yah as it the best tank - gank you can get. dont be fooled though it is still killable in mission if you hit a trigger at the wrong time with better skills 1 wron trigger wont kill yah but 2 or 3 could
Cain Tetsuo
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-11-05 12:32:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Cain Tetsuo
Think I've worked out a new fit based on the advice given.

6 x Arbalest heavy launcher

2 x T2 mission specific hardeners
Pithi C type small shield booster
2 x navy boost amp
Navy 10mn afterburner

3 x T2 ballistic control
T2 damage control

Loading bay accelerator
2 x capacitor control circuit

Dissolution sequencer
Augmented capacitor reserve
Accelerated ejection bay
Amplification node
Fuel catalyst.

Would be cap stable as is, swapping one of the amps for another booster would destabilise it and I'm not sure if it's important to be cap stable or not. One thing is for sure when I switch to T2 launchers I'll need faction ballistic controls to fit it all on. I can afford all faction fittings but I don't want to be a gank target.
Hav0cide
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#14 - 2012-11-05 12:51:51 UTC
If your running Guristas, then a medium booster fit is decent. Lowsec/null you can use crystals to boost your reps further but t2 fit works perfectly.

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