Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think you could keep CONCORD as a force that will eventually wipe out any fleet (keep calling for reinforcements, keep you locked down) while at the same time being destructible and something you can fight back against. It would be more immersive/fun. That said, I think the plan is to do away with CONCORD altogether at some point and replace them with a death ray... thought I read CCP Greyscale saying that somewhere a few months ago. Check CSM minutes I think it's mentioned there too. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong... haven't kept up on it...

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I meant after you get plastered. Not during the gank attemp. I was assuming people currently try to fight back anyway right now in case they might save thier own ship. In the case of the OP's mecanic, I was thinking about people will to come back after thier ship got blowup if they got killed in an alpha strike for example. Most high seccers would probably return to do what they were doing insetad of re-shipping in a pvp ship to use thier kill rights.

Making the concord intervention not instant to make the gank attemp more of a fight might be interesting yes. You will get complaints from many people if it was to pass but that is online gaming. The only difficulty I see about it is the current duration of a gank usually does not let the target ship survive unless the attacker didn't plan correctly. I don't think there would eb that much change beside the few shots being fired by the denfeder with next to no results. Unless people start attackign ship they don't think they can kill in X seconds before concord arrive currently, then the kill will happen just the same except the attacker will also get to fire some shots at concord. It also widen the current window of opportunity unless concord arrval time also get changed.

I might not get the whole idea correctly but to me, this will not generate much pvp because ganks are usually binary action. It works before you get blow up or you get blow-up before you can finish. Attack of the same strenght vs the same target ship will be just the same unless you expect ganker's behavior to change and have them start attacking ship they plan to finish off after corcord started shooting at them...

I remember hearing that too, and it sounds pretty silly. I suppose you could explain it like the meteor defense system that Niven's Ringworld uses, which would also explain time delays to some extent (depending on how close to the primary you were when suiciding). Knowing how much CCP likes making high-sec safer, I wouldn't be surprised if the time delay were removed altogether or even if you were blown up "before" the module activates.

Personally, fighting and running from CONCORD, being on the lam, all that sounds far more fun than the mechanics we have today or some proposed "death ray".

High sec isn't supposed to be filled with conflict. Otherwise the name "high security" would be meaningless. For intense conflicts you basically have the rest of EVE. As such it is only natural the costs of conflicts is higher in High Sec. And the overpowered concord does a fine job at increasing those costs.

And wouldn't this be a step backwards after removing insurance reimbursements when killed by concord?

CONCORD are NPCs, if players find a way to beat them there's a good chance they'll be able to beat them every time. So what would the consequences be for ganking someone?

But since you've lived in Null for a year, why do you care about High-sec...at all?


And...Did you buy a new alt Mittani?

Lets face it, there are a very limited number of drones out there with ability to reason and fewer yet with ability to put together a cohesive argument, so suspicion of intelligent activity is always a red flag.....

The death ray was more of a mechanic than an actual ray (although Greyscale pondered doing that as well just to get it over with). It's more a case of not beating around the bush and having ships warp in and plink away with their silly guns before the ship gets set to 0 HP. That just creates pointless server load by having actual NPCs on the field and engaging the hit calculations.

So instead, it would be a matter of spawning NPCs largely as decoration and as justification for the effects, and then remotely set warp strength to 0, target locks to 0, and — when the time comes — HP to 0. That being the death-ray. It would simplify things server-side by just disabling and killing the ship rather than tie up resources (and potentially having loop holes) by using the regular ewar and damage mechanics.

A FFA flag, a public killright, and a worthwhile bounty system.

What are your recourses today to deal with that ganker? Especially for the people who aren't in an active corp with members nearby or a member of a fleet.

And finding a way to beat them is kind of the point, and the counter to that would be handled mostly by the fact that you're literally on the run. You can't stop, you can't hide. If you're stopped for a few seconds then CONCORD will be right back shooting you. This would also allow people time to come get you as well, instead of getting blown up and parking in a pod until you can dock and reship or log.

Shoot someone and for 15 minutes they have to defend themselves, or constantly warp from one point to the next. If they manage to fight off concord.

The spawns can even escellate. Fight one off, and the next one can be even tougher.

I was thinking the same thing maybe we can do a trade.

Remove local and you can have none instagib concord.

That way after you have cried about null being to hard.now I can follow you to no local high sec and keep shooting you.

But I say do a teared concord 0.5 starts out at 10 min before Concord gets enough ships on grid to kill you going down in time till you get to 1.0 At 60 seconds.

But u sill have to die like now. Aka concord Polaris frigs for tackle. To keep u on that grid.

I'd would absolutely love such a thing. Having CONCORD respond according to the threat and the security level of the system would be nice.

Also, this is probably gonna get moved to F&I.