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Why are Corporations So Invasive???

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Oaiso
#201 - 2012-11-03 09:38:40 UTC
Most eve noobs want to join goons

Told they need to be a member of the SA forums

Constant stories of people joining SA to join goons

Proliferation of the term j4gs

ect

I refuse to believe that there are thousands of people who paid money for an internet forum for no reason, also.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#202 - 2012-11-03 09:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Oaiso wrote:
I refuse to believe that there are thousands of people who paid money for an internet forum for no reason, also.


The Something Awful forums have 169,646 registrations. Before GoonFleet was of any consequence in EVE, there were 66,000 users, based on an archive.org snapshot of the site dated October of 2005. Somehow I doubt that a third of the EVE playerbase joined SA for the sake of getting into GoonFleet considering that we only have ~2,000 actual members in GoonWaffe, and that counts those who were sponsored in and those who joined through SA. So I'll just go for the more obvious conclusion that you're completely wrong. v0v

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Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#203 - 2012-11-03 09:46:23 UTC
Oaiso wrote:
Kaylyis wrote:
Wooooooooow.



I can only assume you're trying to suck up to goons because you want to join them. So I won't judge you as an idiot (or should I?).

I'm clearly trying to call out the obvious fact that of the almost 4000 members in their SA corp most of them paid $ explicitly to join

Run along now newbie


6/10 for being deliberately obtuse. 7/10 cause I fell for it.

And no, If I was trying to suck up Id be agreeing with them on everything. I just have started finding them hilarious since I stopped giving a **** if people think im a bad poster.

That and the whining about ganking miners (at least the ones who arent obvious trolls stirring up ****) got really stale with the new barge changes. or the bumper whining. Its like people need a freaking nanny to feed them a bottle.

If you cant figure out how to tank a barge after they got buffed, or you cant figure out how to beat a bumper there is no hope for you. And im tired of trying to defend people who wont learn.
Ezri Dax
The Organization of Fire and Steel
Elementium Alliance
#204 - 2012-11-03 11:09:43 UTC
CCP are clearly to blame for caving in and letting api be usable to corporations
back in the day when there was no such thing there was a big debate whether or not betrayer , corp thievery and black ops where legitamate parts of the game and we all knew api system would ruin these activities . peope like me argued against the introduction of api keys but sadly we lost that debate and we live with what we have , sorry ffor that ,we wherent convincing enough in our counter points and the api system was introduced despite our opposition.

thievery , betrayel and black ops performed by players where imho all part of the game .and now its pretty much impossible without creating another account outside your corp . sad indeed .
Aya Thorne
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#205 - 2012-11-03 11:17:19 UTC
As I see it corps asking for a full api are too lazy to set up roles and hangers right.
Smart ceo's and directors would limit hanger access on a division level.
If everything is set up right there would be no way that new recruits could steal anything.
+ if they want a lengthy interview it is to me a sign that they are too full of themselves and should be avoided like the plague.
Most corps seem to just want members they can milk dry or treat them like they are mindless drones.
And it is easy to make "clean accounts"
When I played in the past was some stole from the corps because they got pissed at the ceo. Or they got roles
way too easy.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#206 - 2012-11-03 11:23:37 UTC
Let the wrong person into your alliance and say good bye to fleet security, opsec info, possibly tens of billions of isk.

We check your wallet journal to see who is giving you money and who you may be giving money to, not to see your balance or how many salvagers you bought yesterday.

I would rather lose that one decent guy who believes his wallet should remain secret than lose a supercarrier, or have a spai in fleet passing on our movements to his friends.

If you are innocently looking to join, you have nothing to fear of the api check. If you are paranoid that we will look at your things (and lets get real, LOOK is ALL you can do) and want to hide stuff then no, you wont get into some of the best parts of the game.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2012-11-03 11:25:36 UTC
Aya Thorne wrote:
As I see it corps asking for a full api are too lazy to set up roles and hangers right.
Smart ceo's and directors would limit hanger access on a division level.
If everything is set up right there would be no way that new recruits could steal anything.
+ if they want a lengthy interview it is to me a sign that they are too full of themselves and should be avoided like the plague.
Most corps seem to just want members they can milk dry or treat them like they are mindless drones.
And it is easy to make "clean accounts"
When I played in the past was some stole from the corps because they got pissed at the ceo. Or they got roles
way too easy.


Missed this last post. This is pure naivety. Theft isnt what people are trying to avoid, spys and awoxers are the real threat.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#208 - 2012-11-03 11:30:38 UTC
Ezri Dax wrote:
CCP are clearly to blame for caving in and letting api be usable to corporations
back in the day when there was no such thing there was a big debate whether or not betrayer , corp thievery and black ops where legitamate parts of the game and we all knew api system would ruin these activities . peope like me argued against the introduction of api keys but sadly we lost that debate and we live with what we have , sorry ffor that ,we wherent convincing enough in our counter points and the api system was introduced despite our opposition.

thievery , betrayel and black ops performed by players where imho all part of the game .and now its pretty much impossible without creating another account outside your corp . sad indeed .


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ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#209 - 2012-11-03 11:44:31 UTC
I've cleaned this thread of some off topic troll posts. This thread is not about the SA forums or the extremely well documented entry requirements for GoonFleet. Please remain on topic and stop derailing the OP's thread, thank you - ISD Type40.

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Aya Thorne
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#210 - 2012-11-03 11:57:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Aya Thorne
Rico Minali wrote:
Aya Thorne wrote:
As I see it corps asking for a full api are too lazy to set up roles and hangers right.
Smart ceo's and directors would limit hanger access on a division level.
If everything is set up right there would be no way that new recruits could steal anything.
+ if they want a lengthy interview it is to me a sign that they are too full of themselves and should be avoided like the plague.
Most corps seem to just want members they can milk dry or treat them like they are mindless drones.
And it is easy to make "clean accounts"
When I played in the past was some stole from the corps because they got pissed at the ceo. Or they got roles
way too easy.


Missed this last post. This is pure naivety. Theft isnt what people are trying to avoid, spys and awoxers are the real threat.


a clever spy would make a clean account. + there is hardly anything a spy could discover that they cant find out otherwise.
it is naivety to think spies can be avoided with full api check.

and as for not getting into the best part of the game? what is the best part? null was the most boring thing I ever tried.
low wasn't exciting either.
Moe Doobie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#211 - 2012-11-03 13:14:27 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Oaiso wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Not to mention it allows people to connect other dots. There are 3rd party tools that allow people to see your chat history. By looking at all the activity of your character and sifting through chat history people can figure out a lot about who you really are.



You guys in a lot of ways are just proxy accounts

You have absolutely no privacy and you know if you even say something out of line, you're in trouble because they actively monitor your emails, your posts, even your chat history.

You really aren't individuals playing the game.

I see it pretty clearly now

0.0 the slavish hordes and the Free Peoples of High Sec with varying levels in-between.

"why dey so scared to give fullAPI??"

Some people don't want to RP as someone else's property.


Have you ever held a job or been in a position where you were privy to sensitive information? That's generally a lengthy legal process, in the case of a diplomat with top secret clearance, a multi-month one. And yes, they keep an eye on you.

EVE is extremely tame by comparison, and its preventing the same thing.



This is a GAME DUDE....

Why am I wasting my time?
Moe Doobie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#212 - 2012-11-03 13:19:41 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
I gladly handed over full APIs to all may characters. I got nothing to hide.

Which makes me wonder...


Why are so many people afraid to give up a full API? You guys trying to keep secrets in your evemails? Are you a bunch of perverts or spies or perverted spies?


Once again I will blast this ridiculously stupid logic.

Are you saying that people who put their phones numbers on a DO NOT CALL list for telemarketers have something to hide?
Are you saying people who are discreet with the SSNs have something to hide?
Are you saying people who withold their CC info have something to hide?

No. They don't necessarily have anything suspicious to hide, they just don't feel comfortable divulging that info.

I understand you're in GW and thus was able to slide your way east street into one of the largest corps in game because you knew some people, but not all of us have it that way. I know a few folks who play but they RARELY play. Even I will admit I caught a break. One of my friends have me a nice amount of isk to start out with and get skills with.
Moe Doobie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#213 - 2012-11-03 13:27:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Moe Doobie
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
I've cleaned this thread of some off topic troll posts. This thread is not about the SA forums or the extremely well documented entry requirements for GoonFleet. Please remain on topic and stop derailing the OP's thread, thank you - ISD Type40.



Man, I find it VERY strange how you guys constantly swoop in to protect Goons. I see it a lot on these forums why is that???

I can easily see how talking about the entry reqs for 2 of the largest Alliances in game in a topic about corporation entry reqs would be relevant given that they, being the largest, set the precedent for smaller corps/alliances.

Not trying to flame, but I don't really see you guys defending any other Alliances as much as you do Goons. I've seen entire thread about Goons banned because the OP and a few posters were insulting them?

Is that how it is? Big bad Goons need coddling on the forums?
Sointu Luonnotar
Doomheim
#214 - 2012-11-03 13:41:15 UTC
For people who bully highsec dwellers on their unwillingness to take risks, 0.0 overlords seem quite a.nal on not taking risks themselves. Well, nothing new under the hypocritic sun, move along.
Aya Thorne
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#215 - 2012-11-03 14:23:40 UTC
Moe Doobie wrote:



This is a GAME DUDE....

Why am I wasting my time?


Exactly eve is a game it just seem like the majority of people treat eve as a 2nd job.
in some other games ppl want phone numbers so they can call if something happens if offline.
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#216 - 2012-11-03 14:29:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Piugattuk wrote:
I stopped reading at page 2 and submit this, form you're own corp and get people to join and make your own rules, I don't care for api checks either so I have no need for a corp that does.


But I wanna be in the BIG corps, and have epic warz like in the trailers! EVE is just like the trailers, right? Can someone help me get into Goonswarm? I sent 500mil to their recruiter two months ago and I haven't heard back, did he forget about me? I sent 500mil more just in case the first bunch didn't go through, it's okay, they promised to give it all back.
Newsflash
Doomheim
#217 - 2012-11-03 14:43:17 UTC
one of the most ridiculous things in this game is extensive metagaming.
Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#218 - 2012-11-03 15:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiknight
One person can sometimes make all the difference...whether that is for good or bad is determined on a case by case basis. But in the case of these larger nulsec alliances, this is for you...in a game of Risk v Reward, each and every person you recruit is the risk. Occasionally, you lose a bit, more commonly you will break even, but every now and again, that one pilot may be the difference between a pivotal victory or defeat, rewarding you for taking the risk. Think about it.
A reward devoid of risk is no reward at all, but is instead a handout.
Catalyst XI
Catalytic Holdings
#219 - 2012-11-03 15:49:30 UTC
I know what kind of Corp you're looking for OP!

RvB!

-Absolutely Zero application requirements? check!

-Nobody raising red flags for your suspicious refusal to provide full api? check!

-Abundance of "cool guys" to hang with? check!

-fun tiems? check!

there's only one real option for you OP!
join up for glorious explosions!
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#220 - 2012-11-03 15:50:11 UTC
Moe Doobie wrote:
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
I've cleaned this thread of some off topic troll posts. This thread is not about the SA forums or the extremely well documented entry requirements for GoonFleet. Please remain on topic and stop derailing the OP's thread, thank you - ISD Type40.



Man, I find it VERY strange how you guys constantly swoop in to protect Goons. I see it a lot on these forums why is that???

I can easily see how talking about the entry reqs for 2 of the largest Alliances in game in a topic about corporation entry reqs would be relevant given that they, being the largest, set the precedent for smaller corps/alliances.

Not trying to flame, but I don't really see you guys defending any other Alliances as much as you do Goons. I've seen entire thread about Goons banned because the OP and a few posters were insulting them?

Is that how it is? Big bad Goons need coddling on the forums?


I'm pretty sure that if people started flaming any other alliance as much as they flame Goonswarm, their posts would get moderated equally.