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Oaiso

Likes received: 31

#181 - 2012-11-03 09:09:45 UTC | Edited by: Oaiso

Kaylyis wrote:

The politically correct movement needs to be taken off life support, because aggressive behavior and irreverent speech arent bullying and coercion by themselves. Quit telling people they`re being victimized because you think someone is a jackass.

Love the sociopolitical and psychological ranting that comes off like someone took an online sociology course and are now experts on human behavior.

I took a philosophy course and now i'm an ass-hole.

"I can't come to dinner honey, someone is geing WRONG on the internet!"

This coming from someone who just went off on a tangent about internet bullying?

I don't even know what you're talking about tbh

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

Likes received: 6,953

#182 - 2012-11-03 09:11:59 UTC

Andski wrote:

Oaiso wrote:

That's great you're a director, it's really besides the point. But you should know mocking someone is a form of social coercion and through the application of things like this it's no surprise that most goons end up sounding/thinking the same. Especially after they've submitted so thoroughly to the group before hand by giving up their full API.

Wow, you seem surprised that members of a nullsec alliance oppose ideas that ruin nullsec.

Believe it or not, we don't indoctrinate our members. Most of us in Goonswarm are adults and we can think for ourselves, but we tend to agree on certain things like "hey perhaps changing the game to favor hisec even more isn't a great idea."

This must be a shocking revelation

Oaiso wrote:

(edit: not to mention paying 10$ to join a forum)

I've already refuted this and I believe it was in response to you. The purpose of Goonswarm isn't to get EVE players to register on SA, it's to bring SA members into EVE and have fun.

People don't really understand how the newbies get lured into EVE... then again they don't get most things so haha.

I know in my time as a newbie I had already learned amazing things like not logging in, Jabber Online, and especially how Boat's dog sounds.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Kaylyis

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 89

#183 - 2012-11-03 09:12:18 UTC

Oaiso wrote:

Kaylyis wrote:

This coming from someone who just went off on a tangent about internet bullying?

Coercion implies threat, real or imagined. if there is no threat than its an enticement or a bribe. Ill bring the crayon next time.

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

Likes received: 11,585

#184 - 2012-11-03 09:14:10 UTC

Oaiso wrote:

It's not as though I thought you'd accept the obvious revelations I just laid down. You have to sleep at night after all.

being mocked on Jabber because you post like a pubbie isn't "social coercion" hth and if somebody came at me over a post I'd 0wn them

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar


Oaiso Likes received: 31	#185 - 2012-11-03 09:15:10 UTC Kaylyis wrote: Coercion implies threat, real or imagined. if there is no threat than its an enticement or a bribe. Ill bring the crayon next time. You don't think there's threat inherent in this situation. Duurr let me think kicked out of corp blow your ship up take your stuff


Oaiso Likes received: 31	#186 - 2012-11-03 09:16:19 UTC Or just the threat of not being popular with his goonie friends anymore and having wasted like 30 bucks in total.

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#187 - 2012-11-03 09:17:39 UTC

But no you're right, the only reason Goons posted against tracking titans and other things we do hate as a whole is because they were coerced into believing that tracking titans were overpowered, when they themselves truly loved losing ships to two volleys from a titan whose guns track better than the artillery on their Maelstroms

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

Likes received: 6,953

#188 - 2012-11-03 09:18:18 UTC

Oaiso wrote:

Kaylyis wrote:

Coercion implies threat, real or imagined. if there is no threat than its an enticement or a bribe. Ill bring the crayon next time.

You don't think there's threat inherent in this situation. Duurr let me think

kicked out of corp

blow your ship up

take your stuff

Newbies don't have any real reason to even care about their eve stuff. They're putting in the api of their two day old character that's in the middle of the tutorial in highsec.

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#189 - 2012-11-03 09:18:54 UTC

Oaiso wrote:

Or just the threat of not being popular with his goonie friends anymore and having wasted like 30 bucks in total.

Also anybody who joins SA just to join Goonswarm is mocked on SA and if they do managed to get in, they get mocked in our own forums and Jabber for that very reason. But thanks for your insights on our alliance, ever so wise NPC alt

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar


Kaylyis The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 89	#190 - 2012-11-03 09:19:18 UTC Common sense would dictate not keeping your ** in your corporation's home stations if youve been pissing them off. Also go on the internet and read things like goon and test recruit recommendations... Oh wait, most of the nullsec recruitment pages recommend bringing a minimum of ** with you when you go to null. Dont buy what you dont need.

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#191 - 2012-11-03 09:19:23 UTC

Andski wrote:

I appreciate that. In thanks to our wonderful titan blob, I suggest we buff titans again so we don't have to worry so much when instead we can just drop ze taitanz instead.

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#192 - 2012-11-03 09:19:39 UTC

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Newbies don't have any real reason to even care about their eve stuff. They're putting in the api of their two day old character that's in the middle of the tutorial in highsec.

sometimes I wonder if even a decent fraction of goons ran the tutorial starting out

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar


Oaiso Likes received: 31	#193 - 2012-11-03 09:19:49 UTC Alavaria Fera wrote: Newbies don't have any real reason to even care about their eve stuff. They're putting in the api of their two day old character that's in the middle of the tutorial in highsec. What about the SA registration fee and the 3 months of forum grinding?

March rabbit

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#194 - 2012-11-03 09:22:38 UTC

Moe Doobie wrote:

Thead Enco wrote:

Moe Doobie wrote:

Damn man, it just seems like EVERYTHING in this game is so friggin complicated...I just want to have some fun man, s**t....

Because they can, Deal with it

No.

I'll just apply elsewhere.

i can offer you other way to good company. Goonswarm has very easy and silk way. You only pay them "insurance payout" or something and you'r in! Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#195 - 2012-11-03 09:22:54 UTC

Oaiso wrote:

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Newbies don't have any real reason to even care about their eve stuff. They're putting in the api of their two day old character that's in the middle of the tutorial in highsec.

What about the SA registration fee and the 3 months of forum grinding?

That's mostly to catch people to try and join the forums to get into the EVE group. Those are known as J4Gs. They do not get in.

Normal newbies are already in the SA community playing even more horrible games like WoW. You've played WoW, right? Well there's this exciting INTERNET SPACESHIPS game. Now sign up.

And then a few days later some poor 100MN loki gets scrammed and webbed by a rifter and all the pilot can say is "kill the rifter kill the rifter, someone get rid of that rifter"

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#196 - 2012-11-03 09:24:33 UTC

Andski wrote:

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Newbies don't have any real reason to even care about their eve stuff. They're putting in the api of their two day old character that's in the middle of the tutorial in highsec.

sometimes I wonder if even a decent fraction of goons ran the tutorial starting out

It depends on when someone pushes the butan for them maybe.

I remember one newbie that was doing the tutorial and get the evemail about being accepted.


Kaylyis The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 89	#197 - 2012-11-03 09:26:09 UTC Wooooooooow. Go back. read recruitment page again. dont skim over the uninteresting parts. its educational. They want new players from SA. New. not played eve then joined SA to get a GEWN tag. Doing research saved me a lot of hassle and showed me not to waste my time trying to join them. In fact it was pretty explicit. Did you pay the recruitment fee?


Oaiso Likes received: 31	#198 - 2012-11-03 09:30:50 UTC \| Edited by: Oaiso Kaylyis wrote: Wooooooooow. I can only assume you're trying to suck up to goons because you want to join them. So I won't judge you as an idiot (or should I?). I'm clearly trying to call out the obvious fact that of the almost 4000 members in their SA corp most of them paid $ explicitly to join Run along now newbie

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#199 - 2012-11-03 09:31:06 UTC

Oaiso wrote:

What about the SA registration fee and the 3 months of forum grinding?

I paid $10 to join SA because a friend recommended the forum. I didn't join SA to join Goonfleet. I had never played EVE when I joined SA; I hadn't even heard about the game because I didn't play MMOs. I came upon EVE several years after that and then I heard about GoonWaffe. I didn't have to do "three months of forum grinding" (if 200 posts or whatever over 3 months is a "grind" for you, well, you probably wouldn't fit in with us anyway) because I already had 1000+ posts on Something Awful, mostly in the best forum, YOSPOS.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

Likes received: 11,585

#200 - 2012-11-03 09:32:59 UTC

Oaiso wrote:

I'm clearly trying to call out the obvious fact that of the almost 4000 members in their SA corp most of them paid $ explicitly to join

So this is just an (incorrect) assumption on your part based on no actual facts - since NPC alts always make claims without any factual basis - correct?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

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