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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-11-03 01:03:13 UTC
Marzuq wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
USA ... freedom .... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Without america you would be speaking Russian and starving under communism my friend.

But that's besides the point I'm talking about how each aspect of race is very related to how America is.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Hold on let me catch my breathe


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA


Im going for a third grade dropout


"So i told that teaching lady, the only letters i need to know are U S and A"
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-11-03 01:03:15 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

WRONG!!! USSR had all their own equipment, just not a lot of it.

Seriously, go look up -

- T-26 and T-38 light tanks, T-24, T-28, T-34, and T-44 MBTs
- Illyushin fighter planes of WWII
- oh yeah, let's not forget the infamous Nagant rifles they used to get some of the highest sniper rates in WWII - far better riflemen than US troops for the simple fact that to defeat the germans, one rifle had to kill more than 30 enemy troops - and they came very close to that rate.

You need to learn some history, or at least defer to those who know it better instead of pretending like you know everything

Here's a good place to start: Some of the best gear of WWII came from the Russians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_the_Soviet_Union


They were able to do it because they completely nationalized their education and science structure. Anybody smart enough to hack it got a spot and their ideas were followed. Unlimited funding for engineering. The AK-47 is a permanent, enduring testament to Russian engineering. No one can deny that. A gun you can drop, drown, let rust, and fill up with sand and it still shoots straight, year after year after year.

A Russian college professor invented NMR as part of his quantum mechanics class during the cold war - NMR is the predecessor of MRI, and it's used everywhere in science today. He never got a Nobel Prize.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-11-03 01:05:11 UTC
Guile SONICBOOM wrote:

USSR did reverse engineer a lot of things during the war, after all it was from supplying them better equipment and technology that they were able to make good things.

Not that I am discrediting their feats, to say that USSR did it all by themselves with no outside help is simply not true.


I'm not saying they didn't, but did you know that the US actually owes jet engine technology to Germany?

It's not like Russia is alone in its reverse-engineering department, they just tend to be better at it. Except for nukes..... *cough*chernobyl*cough*

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#44 - 2012-11-03 01:05:43 UTC
Guile SONICBOOM wrote:


USSR did reverse engineer a lot of things during the war, after all it was from supplying them better equipment and technology that they were able to make good things.

Not that I am discrediting their feats, to say that USSR did it all by themselves with no outside help is simply not true.


The USSR had the most advanced tanks on the planet during WW2. 100% Russian engineering.

FYI, German scientists copied the Soviet tanks, and still the Tigers and Panzers were outperformed.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-11-03 01:07:12 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:

Edit: Oh,and my money is on you never graduated pre-school. LOL TEST....


How much, and when can you hand it over??

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#46 - 2012-11-03 01:11:23 UTC
Read the caldari backstory.... they are quite unlike America. Americans aren't the only people in the world with corporations.

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Guile SONICBOOM
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-11-03 01:12:41 UTC
Gussarde en Welle wrote:

A Russian college professor invented NMR as part of his quantum mechanics class during the cold war - NMR is the predecessor of MRI, and it's used everywhere in science today. He never got a Nobel Prize.


From what I've found it was a Galician-born American Physicist Isidor Rabi:

"Nuclear magnetic resonance was first described and measured in molecular beams by Isidor Rabi in 1938,[1] and in 1944, Rabi was awarded the Nobel Prize in physics for this work.[2] In 1946, Felix Bloch and Edward Mills Purcell expanded the technique for use on liquids and solids, for which they shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1952."

The AK-47 heavily based upon the STG.44 which was the world's first assault rifle. You only need to look at the designs to see the striking similarities. the difference was that the AK-47 used a shorter version (7.62 x 39mm) of the 7.62 x 54 R round, while the STG.44 was a shorter version of the 8mm mauser hence the name "Kurtz". (7.92 x 33 mm) The bolt was based on the M1 Garand assault rifle. It is by no means the best rifle, it was simply cheap, easy to produce, and had good reliability. Otherwise, there is nothing truly unique about it.

Kalashnikov copied the STG44, he will deny that it is so, but you only need to look at the rifles to see he is not telling the truth.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-11-03 01:13:33 UTC
Guile SONICBOOM wrote:


USSR did reverse engineer a lot of things during the war, after all it was from supplying them better equipment and technology that they were able to make good things.

Not that I am discrediting their feats, to say that USSR did it all by themselves with no outside help is simply not true.


Yeah the Russians copied the masterful tank designs of the Americans. Are you for real?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#49 - 2012-11-03 01:15:27 UTC
Anyway, back to the original topic:

Gallente are very obviously French. Their culture is hardly American, the US does not focus on individual freedom, it focuses on corporate freedom.

Caldari are closest in game to the US. Militaristic and focused on corporations above citizens.

Amarr and Minmatar have no real-world equivalents. They are a more fantasy based "religious zealots versus freedom fighters" trope.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#50 - 2012-11-03 01:16:15 UTC
Marzuq wrote:
Amarrians - Fanatic Religious Fundamentalists who in history have been slave owners. The Bible Belt in America are heavily religious and in the past were slave owners before getting their ass handed to them in the Civil War.
And if you actually study the history, you would find that there were no distinctions including or excluding any particular belief system. Hence we have First Baptist Church vs. Second Baptist Church, or First Presbyterian vs. Second Presbyterian etc etc. There was a split over the issues of slavery, and some of these churches you are attacking were started by former slaves as well.
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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-11-03 01:16:48 UTC
Guile SONICBOOM wrote:
[quote=Gussarde en Welle]
Kalashnikov copied the STG44, he will deny that it is so, but you only need to look at the rifles to see he is not telling the truth.


I'm sorry but the mechanics of the two guns, the part that actually makes it go brap brap brap are actually fairly different. The fact that they look alike means practically nothing.
Guile SONICBOOM
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-11-03 01:17:50 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Guile SONICBOOM wrote:


USSR did reverse engineer a lot of things during the war, after all it was from supplying them better equipment and technology that they were able to make good things.

Not that I am discrediting their feats, to say that USSR did it all by themselves with no outside help is simply not true.


Yeah the Russians copied the masterful tank designs of the Americans. Are you for real?


American shermans were fairly poor.

The T-34 is probably not as awesome as you think:

" It can be argued that the T-34 was a ‘war winning’ tank on a strategic level, but this should not detract from the fact that at a tactical level its performance during four years of continuous war was relatively poor"

"The Soviets achieved strategic success, but paid an exceptionally high price; approximately 44,900 of the T-34s were lost out of a total of 96,500 fully tracked AFVs lost compared with only 32,800 for the Germans (this includes all SP guns, SP artillery, and several thousand vehicles captured when Germany surrendered on the East Front) during all of WW2; a global loss ratio of 2.94 to 1 in favour of the Germans."
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#53 - 2012-11-03 01:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Guile SONICBOOM wrote:
It is by no means the best rifle, it was simply cheap, easy to produce, and had good reliability. Otherwise, there is nothing truly unique about it.


That, my friend, is why it is the best rifle on the planet.

Anyone can buy one. Anyone can maintain one. Anyone can kill you with one.

A rifle that is bullseye accurate at 500 yards but will misfire with dirt in the barrel is inferior to a dirt cheap rifle that can put 3 bullets downrange and hit you at 500 yards while submerged in mud, during a hot humid monsoon storm. The AK-47 is simply the perennial assault rifle.

Remember - the best engineer does not aim for perfect performance in perfect conditions regardless of cost. He aims for the simplest solution that costs the least and works in *all* possible situations. Why? Because that's all that matters in the real world, and complex engineering always breaks when you need it most.

I know several Vietnam veterans who all told me the exact same story - any man who found an AK in the field turned his M16 into an "on-base show peice" and kept his AK hidden away, relying entirely on it in the field. It was simply superior in every single way that mattered.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-11-03 01:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Guile SONICBOOM wrote:
Gussarde en Welle wrote:

A Russian college professor invented NMR as part of his quantum mechanics class during the cold war - NMR is the predecessor of MRI, and it's used everywhere in science today. He never got a Nobel Prize.


From what I've found it was a Galician-born American Physicist Isidor Rabi:

"Nuclear magnetic resonance was first described and measured in molecular beams by Isidor Rabi in 1938,[1] and in 1944, Rabi was awarded the Nobel Prize in physics for this work.[2] In 1946, Felix Bloch and Edward Mills Purcell expanded the technique for use on liquids and solids, for which they shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1952."

The AK-47 heavily based upon the STG.44 which was the world's first assault rifle. You only need to look at the designs to see the striking similarities. the difference was that the AK-47 used a shorter version (7.62 x 39mm) of the 7.62 x 54 R round, while the STG.44 was a shorter version of the 8mm mauser hence the name "Kurtz". (7.92 x 33 mm) The bolt was based on the M1 Garand assault rifle. It is by no means the best rifle, it was simply cheap, easy to produce, and had good reliability. Otherwise, there is nothing truly unique about it.

Kalashnikov copied the STG44, he will deny that it is so, but you only need to look at the rifles to see he is not telling the truth.


All this is true, but how many weapons can you count that were directly influenced by the AK-47? I'll give you somewhere to start - and we all know that Israel has some of the best weapons tech in the world, but what weapon primarily influenced the Galil assault rifle?

And, FYI, for a rifle that's virtually outsold every other modern rifle on the face of the planet, the AK-47 doesn't have to be the best in the world to be an effective weapon of war. As it is, at medium range, it IS one of the most accurate weapons in the world in short bursts. And the things will last forever.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#55 - 2012-11-03 01:26:27 UTC
Anyway I don't read anything into it. It's like all the bs people try to read into star wars or lord of the rings etc. EVE has a detailed backstory, maybe it's actually about that?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-11-03 01:28:00 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Guile SONICBOOM wrote:
[quote=Gussarde en Welle]
Kalashnikov copied the STG44, he will deny that it is so, but you only need to look at the rifles to see he is not telling the truth.


I'm sorry but the mechanics of the two guns, the part that actually makes it go brap brap brap are actually fairly different. The fact that they look alike means practically nothing.


The gas system is virtually identical. Things that make guns go "brap brap brap" are the sound effects - computer games are not a measure of historical accuracy.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-11-03 01:28:30 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Anyway I don't read anything into it. It's like all the bs people try to read into star wars or lord of the rings etc. EVE has a detailed backstory, maybe it's actually about that?


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Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-11-03 01:33:23 UTC
Guile SONICBOOM wrote:


From what I've found it was a Galician-born American Physicist Isidor Rabi:

"Nuclear magnetic resonance was first described and measured in molecular beams by Isidor Rabi in 1938,[1] and in 1944, Rabi was awarded the Nobel Prize in physics for this work.[2] In 1946, Felix Bloch and Edward Mills Purcell expanded the technique for use on liquids and solids, for which they shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1952."


I'm talking about Yevgeny Zavoisky. Rabi took the credit because the Zavoisky's lab didn't have the equipment to do the shimming of the field correctly. Zavoisky went back later and developed EPR and I think got some credit for that, although EPR is a much less useful technique. I was wrong about the cold war part though...I guess they did all this in the 30's and 40's. You learn something new every day.

Guile SONICBOOM wrote:

The AK-47 heavily based upon the STG.44 which was the world's first assault rifle. You only need to look at the designs to see the striking similarities. the difference was that the AK-47 used a shorter version (7.62 x 39mm) of the 7.62 x 54 R round, while the STG.44 was a shorter version of the 8mm mauser hence the name "Kurtz". (7.92 x 33 mm) The bolt was based on the M1 Garand assault rifle. It is by no means the best rifle, it was simply cheap, easy to produce, and had good reliability. Otherwise, there is nothing truly unique about it.

Kalashnikov copied the STG44, he will deny that it is so, but you only need to look at the rifles to see he is not telling the truth.


Um, I'll take your word for it. I've never heard this. People don't use the STG anymore though, do they?

I thought you can get the AK chambered in 7.62x54? PSL/Dragunov???
Tinja Soikutsu
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-11-03 01:34:02 UTC
Not to mention that the 7.62mm is a damned heavy round for an assault rifle so it hits like a mule at longer ranges with better penetration than many contemporary rifles.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-11-03 01:36:03 UTC
Tinja Soikutsu wrote:
Not to mention that the 7.62mm is a damned heavy round for an assault rifle so it hits like a mule at longer ranges with better penetration than many contemporary rifles.


And the AK was capable of firing virtually any 7.62 round, including both 39 and 54 mm variants.

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