Science & Industry

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The freighter vs. orca debate is now over. \sarcasm

The changes:

• Corp hangars *on ships are now fleet hangars
• Volumes will all stay the same
• Divisions are gone, as is any other reliance on corp roles
• Ship fitting array is always available to everyone in your corp and/or your fleet
• Ship fitting arrays on ships and starbases no longer restrict the number of characters that can use them simulataneously
• Fleet hangars and ship maintenance arrays on ships both now have "allow fleet member use" and "allow corp member use" in the inventory UI
• We're adding five new non-compressive containers (from 250k m3 down to 1k m3)
• For containers in a fleet hangar, only the pilot will ever be allowed to open or remove the container; other characters will only be able to drop into the container (with a warning)
• Fleet hangars will now behave like normal cargo hold when it comes to ship scanners and loot drops (ie, will be scannable, and loot will drop from them)

And Hooray for new containers! I've been pushing for those since the said divisions were going to be removed.



Not at all. though the loss of the non-scannable corp hangers is a big loss there are far more features available to the Orca then a freighter.

1. 10 sec align/warp setup
2. Fitted for tank (and not cargohold) it has an EHP of 235,653, 35,000 more then the freighter
3. can pick up / jetcan items in space

And all the rest of the non-hauling related features (fitting, boosts, drones, etc etc). Sure a freighter can haul 4x the amount of stuff, but these days you can't haul that much without getting ganked.

LOL Sorry, after my two hour PI write up and my Adderall kicking into high gear I've switched into super critical validation man.

I'm glad they figured out a way to do it...

... I'm less glad that I have to re-plan my travel methods.

double courier contract

double courier contract works for the same reason. plastic wrap is a freight container

if you had nothing but a double courier in your hold and are scanned, all they see is plastic wrap (the courier "container") x 2. No other information displayed.

A normal, non-hidden cargo can be scanned and they can see everything, but it still doesn't display values. However, there are apps out there that can calculate it for you: http://sudorandom.com/cargoscanner

A few ways, you can put it all in a container, then contract it. When scaned they see the container in side the wrap, but not what is inside the container.

Or you can courier contract to an alt, and have the alt courier contract it back. resulting in a wrap inside a wrap.

or put it in a can, courier contract it to alt, put in another can, courier contract it back. Now the items are 4 layers deep and unscannable.

Problem with double wrapping or more is many gankers just assume if you went thru the trouble of double wrapping it, it must be valuable enough to be worth ganking for.

Also I believe any wrapped packages, or cans are guaranteed to drop in the loot, no risk of the valuable modules not dropping.

Double or triple wrapping is not the solution to protect valuable cargo, the gankers will not know what it is, but they will assume it is worth at least 1 bil isk. If not then why double wrap it??

I'm going to test this myself on the dev server this weekend. This has always been one of those questions that no one ever knows 100% or if they do give mis-information.

My understanding has always been it does not guarantee a 100% drop. Containers follow the same drop chance as everything else (50%). The difference is basically if you have 100 items when your ship is destroyed every item has a 50% chance of dropping. But if they are in a container you have a 50% chance of the container dropping. Basically a 50% chance of dropping 100 items, or nothing.

Actually it had 4 that didn't drop and 5 that did ;)