EVE General Discussion

how did you comprehend this as extortion?
when you promise you have certain items and 100mil SP, you better damn prove you have it (and saying ''come to this lowsec/nullsec system and i'll show you, or taking a screenshot, which easily can be manipulated is not an option)
if you agree to pay a monthly fee to your corp when joining (which some have as a part of ship replacement programs) and you don't pay with the excuse ''i don't have the ISK, can i pay it a bit later'' if you have the isk.
it's not extortion in any way.
if you sign up for a recurring payment IRL, yet haven't paid and still use the facilities and benefits from said thing and they wan't the money; it's not extortion, it's collection of debt.

French Foreign Legion? ;)

ex·tor·tion/ikˈstôrSHən/
Noun:
The practice of obtaining something, esp. money, through force or threats

How you don't see that as extortionary behavior I don't know

I SEE ON YOUR API YOU HAVE MY 20 MIL, PAY UP OR YOU'RE KICKED

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120625

so true sometimes...

No sadly it's the reality : most people are sheeps and accept anything blindly for the feeling of being part of a secure majority.
This behavior is the base on which the so called "elites" dominate and exploit the people.
EVE is only one more mirror of the lack of awareness and wisdom from the biggest part of the humanity who just obey and follow without ever taking the time to think.

Edit : on this topic, i have played a lot of mmos since 13 years, and i've always been amazed how, in an environment where everyone is free at start, people always manage to reproduce the same organisations based on a minority dominating and leading a passive majority.

I understand your point of view but lets not mix RL and gaming, specially Eve where meta gaming is such a powerful tool that if you ignore it or don't use it at your profit then you're missing a huge part of this game and you will get mad when you are the victim. I'm not saying you have to do it but you HAVE to acknowledge it's basis.

As long as you are trial (witch SHOULD take at least 2 or 3 months) pick the fastest cloacky frig you can fly and rush staging system, buy one or two doctrine ships and go get some fun learning to know awesome bastards, let yourself the time to eventually say at the end of that trial period "sry guys I'm not staying with you because you're terribad bastards" because all you'll loose is nothing but a couple cheap ships.

I can't change your mind about how this should or should not happen but I can tell you I was even more paranoid than you about getting scammed or whatever until I met "these" guys completely at the opposite of whatever comment you might ever read or think about null sec dudes.
I couldn't ever imagine I could have so much fun in null sec but at the beginning I had to show clean hands, now I have billions of assets all over the place and a lot of nasty bastard friends to play with, wouldn't go to back to high sec and actually hate going there just to cross shiny pimped ships and not being able to shoot them witch gets me nervous.

You need to make a long research, pass over some tedious process of application+jabber/TS/vent discussion with recruiter so you can also test the guy and ask the good questions. All I can tell you is that you should really give it a try, but intelligently, because it's worth to log in

Because people with power become insane of having that power. And all they care is keeping that power and getting more of it.

So they want total control, without purpose. They want to be masters and see everyone else as threat to their influence and power.

Spying, metagaming, awoxing are part of eve. There are limited ways a corp can filter out potential problem applicants. Asking for API key, while certainly not a conclusive way of eliminating spies, is a regularly used option. And for good reason. While it is certainly possible to hide things on other accounts or whatever most folks are far too lazy to do so. An api check often reveals many things about the applicant that the applicant doesnt want the recruiter to know. Other toons on the account, financial transactions from one toon to another, accounts which have been purchased, and other useful information can be gleaned.

Of course, there are many other ways to screen out potential applicants who might be problems. And most corps use other methods beyond just asking for the api.

This was probably covered somewhere in the blob of responses above mine but awoxing is when someone joins your corp just so that they can tackle and kill people in your corp/alliance/blue list. Often it has been used in the past for tackling peoples titans and super carriers and then bringing in friends to get the kill.

For most high sec/low sec corps screening out potential spies/awoxers is not nearly as big an issue. For null sec alliances it can be a huge issue. No one wants to lose a titan because some one didnt bother to do some due diligence in their recruiting.

We don't do this API requirement thing. I'm under the impression you will get awoxed and infiltrated anyway if you are actually worth infiltrating. To me, it would be a compliment if it ever happens. API keys will simply open up some extra stuff, like the forums we use and the possibility to get some SP advice on your character. So it becomes opting into activities by supplying an API key. Should harm befall us because of it, we simply deal with it and move on. It's a game, not a bloody job.

If a player in my corp wants X which endangers Y he will have to have an investment Z relative to the cost of Y. So if that particular player abuses X he will lose Z when we kick him off the corp. So far that has worked pretty well, and it cuts back on all this bureaucracy. I hate bureacracy, I'd rather be awoxed a few times then having to deal with all that paperwork.