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Tips for ganking mission runners.

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Best Scammer EU
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-11-01 22:38:10 UTC
Well I'm still getting used to scanning my targets, I kind of suck at it. I set my filter so only the Battleships box is checked and I managed to scan down a mission runner but he turned out to be blue so I couldn't engage him.

I'm probably just going to spend some time trying to refine my technique a bit so I can scan down ships efficiently.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-11-02 10:32:46 UTC
they key to ganking mission runners is joining their corp first.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
#23 - 2012-11-02 13:42:55 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
they key to ganking mission runners is joining their corp first.


Good luck with that, considering most run in NPC or alt corps...
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#24 - 2012-11-02 13:50:29 UTC
Shaotuk wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
they key to ganking mission runners is joining their corp first.


Good luck with that, considering most run in NPC or alt corps...


Heh, I still get a nice AWOX once in a while. That character's only kills are green on green but no one seems to ever check it's KB.

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-11-02 15:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Consider just bringing their a few tier 3 BCs and suicide gank your target in his mission.

some corp recently tried to get my Machariel that way and they would probably have had success if they had been even slightly smarter in their way of doing it

(their probing/ship scanning covops did hang around in my mission for so long that I grew suspicious, aligned out and started to keep a close watch on dscan, once their Talos crew started to show on 1m km scan I was out - had they scanned me at a gate or had the covops made a serious effort to look like a ninja salvager they would have been successful)

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Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#26 - 2012-11-02 21:39:57 UTC
Let's make sure we keep a distinction between baiting and suicide ganking mission runner here.

Baiting them involves the modern ninja salvager style of trying to get one to shoot you as you steal his stuff. Pestering a large number of them is the key here. Any kill is a good kill.

Suicide ganking them involves ship scanning, figuring out their daily routine and calculating if the cost of X suicide gank ships weighs up against Y potential loot. Suicide gankers should invest a lot of time in target selection.

So I guess Vera missions in a shiny boat Big smile

"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk

Be careful what you wish for.

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#27 - 2012-11-03 11:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
I'm going to send you an in game message at some point tonight. The best place to learn about ninja ganking is the in game chat channel ''Ninja Dojo''. These guys can tell you all you need to know about attacking level 4 mission runners. I reccomend joining the channel with an alt and not your ganker though as the channel is full of spying bears that the admins never punt.

Most people just scan battleships down which I think is flawed. You don't want to target specific battleships, you want to target specific missions particularly the storylines and epic arcs. Failing these missions have a pretty harsh penalty for your target which encourages them to defend their items.

The level 13 epic mission arc item is particularly susceptible to theft and does not respawn after down time if stolen (prevents people farming a 300M isk contract item which is the only requirement of the mission). The mission is extremely easy to find as it's from a sole agent in station and always goes to the same system 1 jump. I've yet to meet someone who is happy to throw hours of work away and fail an epic arc 1 mission from completion because a 1 to 3 month scrub is about to take the item.

Any level 4 mission against a faction navy drops all bounty in the form of tags. It is possible for a 1 week char to make 50m to 200m per hour high sec peak time income by simply looting these tags from missions. I can clear a level 4 mission of tags in 15 mins hitting at max 4 an hour bringing in around 200m per hour, 50m in tags per mission. If the mission runner decides he does not want to lose his 50 to 100m mission bounties to a 2 to 4 week scrub he can shoot you, in which case....

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11744066

This dude lost a 4bn Isk fit alongside 50m in tags and failed his storyline in the space of 10 mins. :) to a char who had been in the game for under 5 weeks. A 2 week char could easily do the same.

You can blow up his 4bn isk fit in your first month of eve with out neutral reps of any kind.

I no longer gank high sec mission runners instead I've been market trading and doing low sec industry. I like to mix it up in eve and try all manner of gameplay styles. Although reading about noobs wanting to do this brings back good memory so i might try a bit with an orca for lols this week

High sec Ninja ganking is a great choice of career for noobs and will prepare you for all manner of pvp including gang and null sec warfare and is simply another stepping stone other than tackle frigate for chars under 1 month. Plus it will pad your kb with great amount of solo kills and faction loot.

Your average 2month ninja ganker will be an expert in D-scan being able to find a particular named ship to 1 au and 5 degree's in a busy system. They will be expert probers being able to hit any target above cruiser with 1 sweep of scan probes. They will be able to deploy probes above 14 au like a pro hitting their targets in 1 sweep with out the bear even knowing. (low sec ganking essential). They will be able to name the mission the bear is in and what room by wrecks alone. They will engage targets amongst entire corps using expert manipulations of high sec timers. They will on occasion use all manner of tricks including ship swaps and neutral reps if needed. They will arrange suicide shots on active rep'd ships parked on gates recharging cap ect.
Best Scammer EU
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-11-03 11:29:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Best Scammer EU
Well that sounds a bit advanced for me right now. I am in a good missioning area with a storyline agent though. I think he's an epic arc agent. I've spent the last couple of days training some scanning skills and just practising with probes. The quantity > quality method isn't really working for me at the moment, what tends to happen is I scan a system and just end up with a ton of random signatures that could be anything. A lot of those signatures seem to be ships travelling between stations and gates too.

For now I'm going for a more simple method mentioned in this thread which is to sit outside the station with a probe off-grid. When a BS comes out, I just scan the ID and get the name of the pilot so I can find his name in local in the nearby systems and scan his signature down.

I still haven't had any successful ganks yet but I am getting closer, I can tell. It's all very exciting, I don't think carebears give the gankers enough credit for how much work it takes to do it successfully. At least for a beginner, anyway.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#29 - 2012-11-03 19:07:16 UTC
As a beginner ninja, I recommend the following:

Get an Imicus (or equivelant) and fit it out for scanning. Probe rigs, etc. It's alot cheaper than a Helios and can do the job almost as good.

Use this to scan down your hapless victims.

Once you scan them down, do the looting in another cheap ship. I recommend a salvage-fit frigate with a (relatively) large cargo bay.

Start the looting and watch out for the rats. Be aware that once Retribution goes live rats that have aggro on the runner may still switch to you if you are close to their size class (so in a frig, watch out for rat frigs and dessies, and some cruisers).

If he ignores you (most probable result) you make some easy isk, especially if you get those delicious dog tags. If he locks you up and shoots you, being in a small hard-to-hit frig means you probably will survive the first shot, and give you a chance to warp out and get your combat ship.

Again, recommend something small and cheap. Blaster Catalyst or Incursus/Atron fits the bill. But if you really want to try out that Drake, nobody is stopping you..:)

Get back in , orbit close and fast, and apply DPS. Watch his tank break and his blingboat go boom. Pop drones as required..:)

Then loot, and if necessary go get your loot ship and come back to loot some more.

And always watch out for the rats.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-11-03 20:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Best Scammer EU wrote:
Yeah... Thanks. I'm going to keep an eye on this thread to see if I can get some advice from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

I will be ganking in high-sec and I may possibly use an Assault Frigate instead of a Thrasher. Probably a Retribution if I use a Frigate.



Navy vexors are awesome for this, highs for neuts/nos, huge tank and vry small sign radius+ excellent dps from drones.

Edit: Watch out for new spawns: if you don't know where new spawns might happen you can try your chance but if the guy knows what he's doing he will kill the trigger (some missions) and you might as well get stuck scrambled/web by rats then miserably die.
I've done this dozens of times after learning my lesson the hard way like many of us, tears collection and local mocking seems to have some hard effect on some ninjas, don't be one of those.

brb

Best Scammer EU
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-11-03 21:19:24 UTC
Oh yeah, sure. It happened earlier when I aggrod a spawn in one of the pockets I was in. I warped out though and came back after repairing my ship. Good job I put some tank on it. They guy still didn't red box me though, I think if I'd had some salvagers fitted, he would have attacked me. That's another skill I'll have train for to add to the inoffensive appeal of my Magnate.
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