EVE General Discussion

Null sec is perfectly capable of producing ships and modules there's just no one around to do it on a large enough scale. I think the main problems are most null alliances don't have a decent sized indy wing and even if they did nullsec isn't indy friendly. Why you might ask?

Well PVPers seem to look upon carebears aka miners/builders with disdain. PVPers don't think indy types are l33t enough to be in 0.0 unless they PVP and have a good killboard. For most "hardcore" indy guys they like doing indy stuff and could care less about their KB or PVP. They like building and selling stuff for you guys to blow up and nothing is wrong with that.

I've found PVPers are also very impatient. Unless they are constantly shooting stuff they start to twitch and whine to anyone that will listen about not having any fun. Nullsec isn't very friendly when it comes to doing "solo" indy stuff like mining so indy guys might need help locking down a system for mining/ratting or keeping the BS rats from popping their exhumers in belts or scouting JF/freighters moving supplies. So would PVPers run security for 3-4 hrs to help the indy guys? Hell no because that's beneath their l33t PVP skills and won't get them any KM.

Now on to nullsec in general. Nullsec indy is hampered by afk cloakers disrupting mining ops since you never know when that cloaker will warp in and hotdrop 15 supers on your mining op and by roaming fleets of neuts/reds. Indy stuff also requires a pretty substantial infrastructure especially in nullsec due to the lack of stations with slots for building/copy/invention. Couple this with the long times for researching/copying/inventing off BPOs and it becomes impractical since you don't know if 30 days from now your alliance will even own the system. This means your brand new capital BPO could get blown up in a POS or locked in a station you can't enter. The only way around this is doing the bulk of indy stuff in highsec and shipping it to nullsec.

Another thing I have found is most PVPers have no clue how indy works nor the massive amount of materials just 1 toon can burn through each day. A big time industrialist is going to base himself where he will have ready access to all the needed supplies to keep his lines going 24/7. He's not going to relocate to some backwater nullsec system where basic stuff is hard to find.

So instead of PVPers blaming the highsec carebear as the cause for them not having any fun and nullsec being broken maybe they should instead try working with industrialists and give them a reason to move to null in the first place. Maybe instead of calling for nerfs to highsec they should be yelling to CCP to buff nullsec and make it more indy friendly. Believe me if nullsec indy wasn't a PITA then there would be tons of indy guys there.

What happened to Loquitor and the web app where you can just order, pay and it's all delivered to the station of your choice? That's what MOST of FA used to do....

Or you can "travel" (boing) to Jita for - what did you say - SEVERAL times a week.... Wo hoo. Me thinks that's a PLANNING problem not a "destroy highsec and make my life in 0.0 easier" decree.

Yet another CFC - "CCP nerf highsec because I am a [penny pincher] [lazy] [bad at planning] player" post.




Lies. They can be produced. Apparently it's easier and cheaper to import - and yet, if they're not available then SOMEBODY is telling big fat boo-boos. Me thinx you guys need to get your stories straight.

I like the part where he claims to have played for 9 years as PVP pilot, but clearly doesn't understand core concepts of EVE Online or any mechanics at all - combat or industry related. Claiming the market and manufacturing scene isn't players competing with other players, saying you shouldn't be allowed to activate weapons in highsec, saying it should be more like WOW

lmao

Seriously,

Everyone can make logical arguments to the OP, but I doubt anyone will get through to him. Some peeps just are not capable of realizing that they possibly may be wrong about something and be willing to bend. That's too bad.

which makes it that much more fun when we shoot them or otherwise interfere with them

We dont have nearly enough slots in our stations for industry. I would be building stuff out there right now but its far far cheaper to build it all in empire and just ship it out.

...can someone please gank this whiner?

Please tell me more about your vast knowledge of nullsec logistics, and seeding markets.

You still have not addressed that lack of locally available low end minerals, and the repeated CCP attempts to nerf compression.

You have not addressed the fractional amounts of production slots in player built stations.

You have not addressed the AFK mining that occurs 23/7 in highsec with NO risk until nullsec entities started popping miners en masse.

You sit high and mighty in your little sphere of ignorance and shout down everyone, yet you cannot even address the counter point. How easy the straw man is to yell at, and avoid the issue entirely.

Poor planning and wanting it easy is a handy excuse I guess. I mean, it isn't like the CFC is at war or anything. We sure don't blow through millions of rounds of missiles and projectiles every week. We NEVER suffer losses, so no need to import maelstroms, huginns, scimitars, sabres, drakes, lachesis, claymores, and every other ship in the doctrines we fly. No need to ever fit the ships that have to be brought in either, no sir. Doctrine change requiring entirely new set of modules to fit? Whoops, guess we need MORE modules too.

I guess my point is that you can cry and moan all you want about how the other peoples have things easier than you do, but it is just an opinion. Unless you can back it up with facts or data, you are just a sperging highsec whinge-tard. o7 thread.

Get out.

With good reason.