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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#1 - 2012-11-01 20:53:40 UTC
Police are now allowed to set up surveillance cameras on peoples private property without a warrant.

In related news, i'm probably considered a terrorist for bringing this to your attention.

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Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2012-11-01 21:10:15 UTC
That is terrible but at least they did it for a noble cause.

Stopping no real amount of Marijuana use and costing the tax payers hundreds of thousands of dollars in holding these guys.

Now they can do it to anyone.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-11-01 23:43:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
heh. you'd love living in the UK then

afaik we have the highest number of cctv cameras per person than any other country in the world.
Alara IonStorm
#4 - 2012-11-01 23:52:36 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
afaik we have the highest number of cctv cameras per person than any other country in the world.

I am sure the Crown just wishes to watch after their loyal suspects... I mean subjects.
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#5 - 2012-11-02 01:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: MinefieldS
Make a device like this http://www.technologyreview.com/news/405968/lights-camera-jamming/ and replace the white light with one of these http://www.wickedlasers.com/arctic
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-11-02 01:17:37 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
afaik we have the highest number of cctv cameras per person than any other country in the world.

I am sure the Crown just wishes to watch after their loyal suspects... I mean subjects.


Pretty much. I remember a Panorama documentary years ago that showed leaked police reports that at night the control teams in one part of London I believe, were just watching couples having sex in cars.

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MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#7 - 2012-11-02 01:32:55 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
afaik we have the highest number of cctv cameras per person than any other country in the world.

I am sure the Crown just wishes to watch after their loyal suspects... I mean subjects.


Pretty much. I remember a Panorama documentary years ago that showed leaked police reports that at night the control teams in one part of London I believe, were just watching couples having sex in cars.

So that's why you can't have tinted windows.
Borascus
#8 - 2012-11-02 01:53:56 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Police are now allowed to set up surveillance cameras on peoples private property without a warrant.

In related news, i'm probably considered a terrorist for bringing this to your attention.


I've heard US anti-government conspiracy theorists can be prone to aggressive outbursts Shocked. I'm sure you are a nice guy though (or WGoE Alt)


Still, you've gotta see the only upside. It's definitely a good reference:

US Citizen wrote:
So I was being watched by this CCTV camera all the time while I was outside. I've not been arrested for anything
stoicfaux
#9 - 2012-11-02 02:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Sounds like they're arguing that if you can fly over someone's land and see what's going on, then you can place surveillance devices as well. Just a long as they don't try to look into your house or its immediate vicinity.

Quote:

Callahan based his reasoning on a 1984 Supreme Court case called Oliver v. United States, in which a majority of the justices said that "open fields" could be searched without warrants because they're not covered by the Fourth Amendment. What lawyers call "curtilage," on the other hand, meaning the land immediately surrounding a residence, still has greater privacy protections.


Now I just need to figure out how to scale this up.

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Ranzabar
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-11-02 02:33:50 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
afaik we have the highest number of cctv cameras per person than any other country in the world.

I am sure the Crown just wishes to watch after their loyal suspects... I mean subjects.


Pretty much. I remember a Panorama documentary years ago that showed leaked police reports that at night the control teams in one part of London I believe, were just watching couples having sex in cars.



Dogging in the UK? On the next flight

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#11 - 2012-11-02 02:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
stoicfaux wrote:
Sounds like they're arguing that if you can fly over someone's land and see what's going on, then you can place surveillance devices as well.


It also clears up any legal hangups over drone surveillance.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-11-02 03:45:11 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Sounds like they're arguing that if you can fly over someone's land and see what's going on, then you can place surveillance devices as well.


It also clears up any legal hangups over drone surveillance.


There are none, private property extends to 400 feet AGL. Beyond that they can use any optics they want to take a big fat look

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#13 - 2012-11-02 04:37:36 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Sounds like they're arguing that if you can fly over someone's land and see what's going on, then you can place surveillance devices as well. Just a long as they don't try to look into your house or its immediate vicinity.

Quote:

Callahan based his reasoning on a 1984 Supreme Court case called Oliver v. United States, in which a majority of the justices said that "open fields" could be searched without warrants because they're not covered by the Fourth Amendment. What lawyers call "curtilage," on the other hand, meaning the land immediately surrounding a residence, still has greater privacy protections.


Now I just need to figure out how to scale this up.


Look into using microwave oven parts :) might not technically be an EMP but directed high energy radio frequencies may have some interesting effects on unwanted electronic devices.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#14 - 2012-11-02 04:41:11 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
There are none, private property extends to 400 feet AGL. Beyond that they can use any optics they want to take a big fat look


I meant more invasive, like hovering over your house and peering at you in your backyard.

The rise of the drones has already begun. Any day now we'll just start seeing them everywhere.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Luc Chastot
#15 - 2012-11-02 12:22:50 UTC
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/13486752.jpg

Also, in my quest for that, I found this. Thought I should share it:

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/sucks+to+be+you_822e1a_3446652.jpeg

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#16 - 2012-11-02 14:14:41 UTC
Luc Chastot wrote:

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/sucks+to+be+you_822e1a_3446652.jpeg



This version is better

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Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-11-02 14:53:12 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
afaik we have the highest number of cctv cameras per person than any other country in the world.

I am sure the Crown just wishes to watch after their loyal suspects... I mean subjects.


Pretty much. I remember a Panorama documentary years ago that showed leaked police reports that at night the control teams in one part of London I believe, were just watching couples having sex in cars.

This is a popular sport for cops in the U.S. too. And also listening in on people's baby monitor radios. The radio circuit broadcast's nighttime sounds not only from baby's room, but also from mom and dad's.... Smile
Borascus
#18 - 2012-11-02 16:26:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Funny story actually;

When we had our first baby we bought a video baby monitor, mic etc....

Set the thing up, but a small camera in a window about 100m away was on channel 3. I can only hope that the baby monitor camera couldn't be received in their house Evil.

On the flip side though could see up their whole street on a different channel.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#19 - 2012-11-02 16:53:19 UTC
Borascus wrote:
Funny story actually;

When we had our first baby we bought a video baby monitor, mic etc....

Set the thing up, but on one of the channels a small camera in a window about 100m away was on channel 3. I can only hope that the baby monitor camera couldn't be received in their house Evil.

On the flip side though could see up their whole street on a different channel.


I can pretty much guarantee the baby monitor was available to anyone within a certain radius. It's the same with cordless phones. They only rarely have any sort of encryption.

Although, similar to what Surfin' mentioned, it's perfectly legal for anyone, including government agencies, to park on the street in front of your house and intercept any electronic signals which may reach from your house to the street. Generally, people aren't aware just how much of their lives is waiting to be eavesdropped on, so it's a bit of a field day for anyone who wants to.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#20 - 2012-11-02 17:09:45 UTC
Borascus wrote:
Funny story actually;

When we had our first baby we bought a video baby monitor, mic etc....

Set the thing up, but on one of the channels a small camera in a window about 100m away was on channel 3. I can only hope that the baby monitor camera couldn't be received in their house Evil.

On the flip side though could see up their whole street on a different channel.


If you have anything on wireless it can be received by anyone. Pretty scary to think about if there is no way to set a password. My neighbor had his security cameras on wireless until I showed him the view from my laptop. Now he's cabled in.

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