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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#81 - 2012-11-02 01:09:33 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
I'm just going to suggest you go form a 200 man fleet and--as the only FC--try to tell all of them what to do in groups of ten, (that's 200 groups btw), during the course of an engagement with no more than 10% time dilation, (you guys have it so easy now Roll), and then come back here and tell me how you managed.

That's not 200 commands prior to battle and let them do it btw, but rather 200 commands every time the swing of battle changes, new targets, (200 of them at a time), appear, etc.. and additional commands when you need someone to be in the right position somewhere, or to disengage.

Good luck with that.

Wat.

How does that even begin to be relevant to any FC anywhere? Ugh
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#82 - 2012-11-02 01:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
KrakizBad wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
I'm just going to suggest you go form a 200 man fleet and--as the only FC--try to tell all of them what to do in groups of ten, (that's 200 groups btw), during the course of an engagement with no more than 10% time dilation, (you guys have it so easy now Roll), and then come back here and tell me how you managed.

That's not 200 commands prior to battle and let them do it btw, but rather 200 commands every time the swing of battle changes, new targets, (200 of them at a time), appear, etc.. and additional commands when you need someone to be in the right position somewhere, or to disengage.

Good luck with that.

Wat.

How does that even begin to be relevant to any FC anywhere? Ugh


It isn't; not in EVE, or anywhere else. I stated earlier that it was impossible, and I was simply making it clear why as that didn't seem to be getting through. Sometime, if a gentle nudge doesn't work, you have to hit it with a hammer.

If a hammer doesn't work, try a sledgehammer, and failing that you could always drop a very heavy object on it.

It's only a mild irony that we are saying the same thing because the rationalization on one side comes up with different reasons than the logic on the other.
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#83 - 2012-11-02 01:20:20 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
I'm just going to suggest you go form a 200 man fleet and--as the only FC--try to tell all of them what to do in groups of ten, (that's 200 groups btw), during the course of an engagement with no more than 10% time dilation, (you guys have it so easy now Roll), and then come back here and tell me how you managed.

That's not 200 commands prior to battle and let them do it btw, but rather 200 commands every time the swing of battle changes, new targets, (200 of them at a time), appear, etc.. and additional commands when you need someone to be in the right position somewhere, or to disengage.

Good luck with that.

Wat.

How does that even begin to be relevant to any FC anywhere? Ugh


It isn't; not in EVE, or anywhere else. I stated earlier that it was impossible, and I was simply making it clear why as that didn't seem to be getting through. Sometime, if a gentle nudge doesn't work, you have to hit it with a hammer.

If a hammer doesn't work, try a sledgehammer, and failing that you could always drop a very heavy object on it.

It's only a mild irony that we are saying the same thing because the rationalization on one side comes up with different reasons than the logic on the other.


You realize that virtually all strategic ops in nullsec involve multiple fleets filling different roles right?

A fleet is meant to be a cohesive unit, as I mentioned before. The director-level commanders are filling the role you are describing the way every single military on the planet has for centuries - by giving orders to the individual fleets, whose FCs implement them as they see fit.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#84 - 2012-11-02 01:31:55 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
I don't get out much.

You need to get out more then. Coalition level FCing is an art. Also the concept of a PVE fc is as funny a statement as the one time I flew through a hisec incursion system and saw a bunch of 'gf's' in local. Someone had killed more red crosses or something.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-11-02 01:32:05 UTC
Youve clearly never FCed anything.
FCing takes a lot of skills and good FCing makes a fleet.

(that said, FCs that are assholes are NOT good FCs in my book.)

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Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#86 - 2012-11-02 01:38:54 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
people keep talking about "THE GREAT FCS" like Montolio, Malaku, and Shadew

why is being able to boss around people your alliance has enslaved so special? i do incursions and the incursion fcs get the job done without yelling at people.

nullsec FCs are mean arrogant crybabies who somehow got elevated to their jobs. i contend that if you can fc an incursion fcing some stupid drake blob is easy.


I did incursions for over a year and I've trained/seen many incursions fc start out, develop and see the end result.
No, under no circumstances can an incursion FC be guaranteed to be able to FC a pvp fleet.
Just take the sheer knowledge of ships and pvp mechanics are all but apparent during incursions.

There... I responded in a proper manner instead of yelling at you. I feel bad Sad
Jaison Savrin
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#87 - 2012-11-02 03:02:18 UTC
I don't know to be honest.


An FC loses my respect the first time he becomes abusive.


They all become abusive.


I stopped going to CTAs.


I moved out of 0.0.


I'm happier now.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#88 - 2012-11-02 05:40:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


All you have to do is make a name for yourself with a few actions (faction warfare is your easy in here) and you too can be showered with praise and free supercaps. My hangarful of ships will be yours to command!

See you soon.
HA. FW is an easy in to FC... LOL.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-11-02 05:47:38 UTC
Jaison Savrin wrote:
I don't know to be honest.


An FC loses my respect the first time he becomes abusive.


They all become abusive.


I stopped going to CTAs.


I moved out of 0.0.


I'm happier now.


Never been on a CTA.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#90 - 2012-11-02 05:49:17 UTC
Jaison Savrin wrote:
CTAs.


There's your problem.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#91 - 2012-11-02 06:29:03 UTC
Andski wrote:
Jaison Savrin wrote:
I don't know to be honest.


An FC loses my respect the first time he becomes abusive.


They all become abusive.


I stopped going to CTAs.


I moved out of 0.0.


I'm happier now.

Never been on a CTA.

I've been to see IRC's CTAs. It was a fun experience :shobon: They should do it more often.

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