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Bounty clarification please?

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-11-01 19:24:34 UTC
Can someone at CCP please clarify exactly what this means.

Quote:
Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where.


I take it to mean that the bounty system won't alter your flag state, and for someone to be allowd to shoot you they'll have to accept a contract of some type that would make the individual legal.

There seems to be a lot of disagreement as to what exactly this indicates and that the person with a bounty will need to generate a kill right before anyone is able to shoot them in high sec.
Robert De'Arneth
#2 - 2012-11-01 19:27:27 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Can someone at CCP please clarify exactly what this means.

Quote:
Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where.


I take it to mean that the bounty system won't alter your flag state, and for someone to be allowd to shoot you they'll have to accept a contract of some type that would make the individual legal.

There seems to be a lot of disagreement as to what exactly this indicates and that the person with a bounty will need to generate a kill right before anyone is able to shoot them in high sec.



If you place a bounty on me and blow me up in high sec, concord will blast you and you will take a sec hit.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-11-01 19:29:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Robert De'Arneth wrote:


If you place a bounty on me and blow me up in high sec, concord will blast you and you will take a sec hit.


Pretty sure're not the person I'm looking for clarification from. Nor does that say anything about getting concorded because you hunted down someone with a bounty and shot them in high sec, or even to mean that if I have a bounty I can hide in high sec so you can't shoot me.


Have a little patience, and let's see if we can get a dev or ISD member to clarify the statement for us.
Nicholas Barker
Sneaky Magic Inc.
#4 - 2012-11-01 19:31:01 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:


If you place a bounty on me and blow me up in high sec, concord will blast you and you will take a sec hit.


Pretty sure're not the person I'm looking for clarification from. Nor does that say anything about getting concorded because you hunted down someone with a bounty and shot them in high sec, or even to mean that if I have a bounty I can hide in high sec so you can't shoot me.


Have a little patience, and let's see if we can get a dev or ISD member to clarify the statement for us.


Can somebody translate this please?
Robert De'Arneth
#5 - 2012-11-01 19:33:51 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:


If you place a bounty on me and blow me up in high sec, concord will blast you and you will take a sec hit.


Pretty sure're not the person I'm looking for clarification from. Nor does that say anything about getting concorded because you hunted down someone with a bounty and shot them in high sec, or even to mean that if I have a bounty I can hide in high sec so you can't shoot me.


Have a little patience, and let's see if we can get a dev or ISD member to clarify the statement for us.




Oh my bad, not the answer you were hoping for? I am still right, and you are still wrong. 100 million ISK bet, put you isk up.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#6 - 2012-11-01 19:39:00 UTC
Quite simply as far as aggression and kill rights go NOTHING will change from how it is now.

I can't possibly see where the disagreement is. What other possible interpretation could there be for that statement?

It has NO effect on who can be attacked which means high sec is high sec, low sec is low sec, null sec is null sec, and people will still die regardless cause people are just stupid like that.

This means that yes, you can hide in highsec all day with your massive bounty. They can still try to can bait you or war dec you but besides that they would have to suicide gank.... just like how it is now.

This why I find it HIGHLY unlikely that suddenly everyone is gonna get griefed to hell and the sky is gonna start falling cause miners are getting ganked with bounties so much more often....pfft....doubt it.

The Drake is a Lie
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-11-01 19:39:15 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:



Oh my bad, not the answer you were hoping for? I am still right, and you are still wrong. 100 million ISK bet, put you isk up.

How about instead of bumping the thread by trolling, you just make a post asking CCP to clarify the statement so you can be proven right.

Because until you have DEV, ISD, GM, or CSM in front of your name, you're not qualified to make the clarification.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-11-01 19:44:05 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Quite simply as far as aggression and kill rights go NOTHING will change from how it is now.

I can't possibly see where the disagreement is. What other possible interpretation could there be for that statement?

It has NO effect on who can be attacked which means high sec is high sec, low sec is low sec, null sec is null sec, and people will still die regardless cause people are just stupid like that.

This means that yes, you can hide in highsec all day with your massive bounty. They can still try to can bait you or war dec you but besides that they would have to suicide gank.... just like how it is now.

This why I find it HIGHLY unlikely that suddenly everyone is gonna get griefed to hell and the sky is gonna start falling cause miners are getting ganked with bounties so much more often....pfft....doubt it.

Because I took it to mean that a bounty doesn't change your flag state, and someone has to accept the bounty before they can shoot you.

What would be the point of a bounty system that doesn't allow you to shoot the person because they're in high sec? CCP is trying to create more conflict in high sec, that's the point of the Retribution expansion; not being able to collect a bounty in high sec would make the bounty system no more usefull than it already is.

Peopel will just use alts to place bounties on their high sec alts for bragging rights, exactly like the current system works.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#9 - 2012-11-01 19:44:35 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Quite simply as far as aggression and kill rights go NOTHING will change from how it is now.

I can't possibly see where the disagreement is. What other possible interpretation could there be for that statement?

It has NO effect on who can be attacked which means high sec is high sec, low sec is low sec, null sec is null sec, and people will still die regardless cause people are just stupid like that.

This means that yes, you can hide in highsec all day with your massive bounty. They can still try to can bait you or war dec you but besides that they would have to suicide gank.... just like how it is now.

This why I find it HIGHLY unlikely that suddenly everyone is gonna get griefed to hell and the sky is gonna start falling cause miners are getting ganked with bounties so much more often....pfft....doubt it.



So whats the point of the bounty then?

Say I put one on your head, others take that bounty in high sec get concorded and a heavy sec penalty? Shocked
Robert De'Arneth
#10 - 2012-11-01 19:44:51 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:



Oh my bad, not the answer you were hoping for? I am still right, and you are still wrong. 100 million ISK bet, put you isk up.

How about instead of bumping the thread by trolling, you just make a post asking CCP to clarify the statement so you can be proven right.

Because until you have DEV, ISD, GM, or CSM in front of your name, you're not qualified to make the clarification.



Well the G/D is for answering questions, I gave the correct answer the 2nd post in this thread, waiting for a GM or ISD or CSM will not change the answer. All it will do is prove the question was answered by someone who read the other threads that answered this question weeks ago. But anyways, sad you were not willing to bet, have a nice day.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
CCP Masterplan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2012-11-01 19:48:00 UTC
Robert De'Arneth is correct in that the CONCORD response for illegal attacks (or lack of response, for legal attacks) is not in any way affected by the presence or absence of a bounty placed on any involved party.

"This one time, on patch day..."

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Anslo
Scope Works
#12 - 2012-11-01 19:49:02 UTC
CCP Masterplan wrote:
Robert De'Arneth is correct in that the CONCORD response for illegal attacks (or lack of response, for legal attacks) is not in any way affected by the presence or absence of a bounty placed on any involved party.


Dat name.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-11-01 19:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
CCP Masterplan wrote:
Robert De'Arneth is correct in that the CONCORD response for illegal attacks (or lack of response, for legal attacks) is not in any way affected by the presence or absence of a bounty placed on any involved party.

So you have to generate a killright by actually doing someting illegal in high sec before your bounty can be collected?

And thanks for the responce, it's appreciated.
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-11-01 19:53:44 UTC
CCP... please tell him that "no change" means "no change" so he can accept that "no change" means "no change".


If someone has a bounty on them now, can you blow them up in high sec without CONCORD responding? Nope.

I think it is pretty clear what "no change" means.



So, what is the point of the Retribution changes?

You are sitting in a high sec belt mining. A gang of suicide gankers comes in and blows up your hulk. You buy a new hulk, then you spend an equal amount of ISK putting a bounty on the suicide gankers' corp. You also make the kill rights that you have on them (do you get kill rights on everyone that shot you, or just the person that laid the final blow? I forget.) public so that people can "buy" those kill rights from you.

NOW poeple can kill the gankers in high sec to collect the bounty.

Unless, of course, the gankers were a bunch of 3 day old alts flying destroyers, and the player's real characters were hanging out nearby to loot and salvage the wrecks.... In that case, putting the bounty and granting kill rights is mostly a waste of time.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-11-01 19:54:10 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
CCP Masterplan wrote:
Robert De'Arneth is correct in that the CONCORD response for illegal attacks (or lack of response, for legal attacks) is not in any way affected by the presence or absence of a bounty placed on any involved party.

So you have to generate a killright by actually doing someting illegal in high sec before your bounty can be collected?

And thanks for the responce, it's appreciated.


No. You can still be attacked in highsec at any time. If you get blown up before CONCORD arrives, whoever kills you gets the bounty.
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-11-01 19:54:19 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
CCP Masterplan wrote:
Robert De'Arneth is correct in that the CONCORD response for illegal attacks (or lack of response, for legal attacks) is not in any way affected by the presence or absence of a bounty placed on any involved party.

So you have to generate a killright by actually doing someting illegal in high sec before your bounty can be collected?

And thanks for the responce, it's appreciated.



No. Anyone can suicide gank in high sec to collect the bounty.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#17 - 2012-11-01 19:55:15 UTC
I look forward to another thread about this same topic asking the same question being posted within the next week.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-11-01 19:57:49 UTC
NARDAC wrote:


No. Anyone can suicide gank in high sec to collect the bounty.

That makes sense; I didn't think of it that way.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-11-01 19:58:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
I'm confused as to where the abiguity is of the statement in question.

"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

Natsett Amuinn wrote:
What would be the point of a bounty system that doesn't allow you to shoot the person because they're in high sec?

Being in highsec never has prevented you from shooting someone, and the bounty systems doesn't absolve you of consequences of shooting someone.
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
CCP is trying to create more conflict in high sec, that's the point of the Retribution expansion; not being able to collect a bounty in high sec would make the bounty system no more usefull than it already is.

Collecting a bounty is based on ship destruction rather than legality. A gank is a valid way to collect a bounty.
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Peopel will just use alts to place bounties on their high sec alts for bragging rights, exactly like the current system works.

Those people will be reducing the threshold pf profitability on ganks to their ships.

Also, for additional conversation we can see CCP in the announcement thread debating with people on the possibility of using the new bounty system as a greifing tool by incentivising ganking. See here for a dev post answering it where there is no refutation of the bounty collector needing to be"willing to accept high sec consequences of Concord."

Edit: CCP posted while I was looking in the original thread so feel free to disregard as all has been clarified.
Robert De'Arneth
#20 - 2012-11-01 20:00:06 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
NARDAC wrote:


No. Anyone can suicide gank in high sec to collect the bounty.

That makes sense; I didn't think of it that way.



the idea is to place a bounty so high that people will not care for the loss. Anyways, I am hoping for a large bounty so I can taunt people, I will be doing my best insult the miner bumpers to help me out.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
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