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(Slightly re-organised for better grouping)

All excellent changes. However, it would be nice to have a fleet hanger view-only option. Yes, containers as proposed would provide some workaround for this, but if we happen to not have any spare/non-full containers on hand...


About as good as it gets without a full re-introduction of divisions. Assuming that use of containers will not be restricted to non-compressive cans only, it represents a real-term increase in the fleet hanger capacity due to the use of GSCs for storage of spare fuel/stront, which often make up a large portion of the volume stored. Somewhat less useful for titans, obviously. Also allows for many more "divisions" of small-volume items. Small can for cap fit, small can for tank fit, small can for shiny neuts/smarties etc. etc.

WRT the new containers, can we get some input on their sizes? I think cans of 5k, 10k, 20k, and 50k would be most useful. The 1k is slightly meh, most will use the compressive HSC (1950/1500) or LSC(780/650) instead. Also brings me to another topic, why do the three smallest cans have a compression ratio of 1.2:1, compared to the 1.3:1 of GSC/HSCs? Presuming it's to do with the fact that the smaller cans will fit in many ship's standard cargobays.


Obviously a very controversial change.

especially when u can have as many or as few as u want and u can name them independently

Onoz! My 100% safe Orca hauls!
No, it's nothing like that. At the moment, corp hangars completely protect from ganks: there is no guesswork and no random chance because nothing drops from them. Right now, there is no point in ganking an Orca because the most you will get out of it is an invuln field and some salvage. Everything else goes kablooie (well, unless the pilot has been daft and put stuff in the cargo hold).

You can stuff every PLEX in jita in an Orca right now and no-one will know, and no-one will ever have any reason to gank you. In comparison, double-wrapping in a freighter only tells your attackers that you're hiding something valuable, but they can see this clear as day and they can gamble on it dropping. Neither is true for the current hangars.

So of course it will be controversial when they go from zero exposure and drop (and zero risk as a result) to total exposure and drop (and normal risk).

Just to clarify... With the current system, unless a courier contract is double wrapped, gankers can still see what is in the plastic wrapping... And regardless of it being single wrap, double wrap or wrapped containers, the hauler can see what's inside.

You do realise that at present, the entire contents of any courier contract are viewable while in station, the number of layers of plastic wrap and/or containers notwithstanding? So there is no change to this.

You (well not you as you especially :p) began nerfing things, so either you nerf everyone equally (orca hangar AND frighters courrier contrats) either you nerf no one. Or else it's not fair. I'm tired of CCP nerfing things without thinking to consequences, and iterating on these only months/years later.

Being able to transport things completely safe from scans and robberies is pretty broken.

I only skimmed most of the thread.



A horrible horrible horrible horrible change. Don't take away divisions, they're used mainly for organization. Most cap/super pilots like and use these. For the most part roles are irrelevant, we'd like to be able to give access to our fleet regardless if they're in our corp, so checkbox per division?

The only other option for organization inside a corp hangar would be containers, which is horrible because it really limits what you can do with the space because the container, whether empty or full, takes up the same amount of room.



Love this!!



Good, this is the kind of granularity we actually want. But keep the corp hangar divisons!! And actually, it would be great to have some divisions in the SMA's storage as well. I'd like to be able to hand out fleet dictors from my super w/o everyone in the fleet also being able to steal my pimp fit Loki.



Storing Settings on the server for hangar divisions? Love it.

Storing PW on the server? Probably not a good idea, there's too many ways this can be abused. Find some happy medium where the PW is stored in the ship, but only while it's piloted by the same character. I'd love to be able to get into a PW'd pos in my cap/super, log off and when I log back in safely land inside that same POS. But the trouble comes when I'm selling, loaning or contracting a ship and the pw goes with it. Way too much potential for abuse there, when the pilot leaves the ship the PW should blank again.

Audit log containers working better? I'm all for that. While you're at it, whenever you get around to actually working on corp/alliance roles, it would be great if it was WAY WAY more clear who can do what to the containers inside corp hangar divisions. Right now you literally have to trial-and-error config them using an alt with the role you want to have access or another person because the permissions are worded so oddly and it's not clear who can do what.

Oh, and leave my plastic wrap alone or come up with some other kind of variable sized container for use with courier contracts. Plastic wrap is an inherent part of the system currently, and I can't tell you how frustrating it would be (and I say this as someone who has done some significant JF and Freighter work, moving literally millions of m3 that didn't belong to me) to have to deal with loose items belonging to every person who's stuff I move. Hands down, I would instantly quit moving other people's stuff, it'd be way too damn frustrating trying to figure out where pile X of hydrogen topes was supposed to go.

Scans yes robberies no. Just because you cannot scan contents of certain ships does not mean you cannot kill them. In high sec that is.

Highsec is not a factor.

And no, both were quite broken. Being able to appear as if you're carrying nothing when you're full of stuff rather removes the point of having cargo scans. Even wrapping your valuables showed up as you carrying something. And stuff not dropping was just wrong in every way — if you bring it out of the station is should be lootable.