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Will the new bounty system save EvE?
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Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#121 - 2012-11-01 19:06:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Dar Manic
Once again, I'll quote: Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where.

Having a bounty changes nothing in regards to who can shoot who. If that is not the intent they need to rephrase.


(not taking a side in the bumper wars... just trying to get information, as posted by CCP, out to the players.)

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#122 - 2012-11-01 19:07:26 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
A bounty doesn't generate a free for all flag, it generates a contract that someone has to accept in order to shoot that person. It means that if I'm flying around with a bounty you don't have the right to shoot me until you accpt the bounty contract.


I think you're confusing bounties with kill rights.

Oh god.
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2012-11-01 19:08:22 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

It should only mean that someone has to ACCEPT THE BOUNTY.

A bounty doesn't generate a free for all flag, it generates a contract that someone has to accept in order to shoot that person. It means that if I'm flying around with a bounty you don't have the right to shoot me until you accpt the bounty contract.


It means exactly what it says. Having a bounty on me does not alter your ability to attack me without CONCORD intervention. You would still need kill rights.


The change is that IF someone has kill rights on me, they could make those kill right public so others that want to kill me could buy those kill rights and use them. If no one has kill rights on me, because I've not attacked them, then there is no one to buy the kill rights from.
Geligdio Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-11-01 19:08:31 UTC


I don't think crimewatch or bounties are going to make any difference to the game.

Basically CCP has a choice, accept High Sec culture (as in living there for the whole time you play the game is completely legitimate) and let that suck the rest of the game dry.

Or balance risk and reward and make a gradient where people are keen to leave to seek greater riches.

Everything else is just window dressing.

Thanks
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#125 - 2012-11-01 19:09:45 UTC
Geligdio Khan wrote:


I don't think crimewatch or bounties are going to make any difference to the game.

Basically CCP has a choice, accept High Sec culture (as in living there for the whole time you play the game is completely legitimate) and let that suck the rest of the game dry.

Or balance risk and reward and make a gradient where people are keen to leave to seek greater riches.

Everything else is just window dressing.


So wrong.. but to each it's own.

To quote another, Eve is NOT about PVP. It's about the SANDBOX. :0

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#126 - 2012-11-01 19:09:56 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

It grants a kill right to anyone that accepts the bounty, it doesn't grant a kill right to the person that places the bounty. Where are some of you getting the "it doesn't grant kill rights" line from? How the hell do you collect a bounty without a kill right?



From the dev blog. It talks about kill rights, but only the ability of someone that already has kill rights being able to transfer those kill rights to someone else.

How do you collect without kill rights? Suicide gank.


Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I go into a belt, see a miner, place a bounty, immediately accept that bounty with my alt and blow up the miner.


And CONCORD comes and kills your alt, just as if you had killed them without accepting the bounty.


So you're saying that if I put a bounty on you, I can't kill you?

How excatly does that work then?


The comment should only mean that the bounty system doesn't impact your flag state. It doesn't make you go from an invalid target to a legal target. In order shoot someone with a bounty, you have to accept the bounty contract first, which means you have to go to a bounty agent, and possibly the CQ and billboards.

Are you trying to say that you can't shoot people in high sec with a bounty on them? Because I'm pretty sure that's not right, seeing as they removed the need to pod; seeing as you can't pod anyone in high sec.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#127 - 2012-11-01 19:10:49 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
At least we will have something to do with the endless Tech ISK faucet the bears keep screaming about.


What Tech ISK faucet.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-11-01 19:12:47 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

It should only mean that someone has to ACCEPT THE BOUNTY.

A bounty doesn't generate a free for all flag, it generates a contract that someone has to accept in order to shoot that person. It means that if I'm flying around with a bounty you don't have the right to shoot me until you accpt the bounty contract.


It means exactly what it says. Having a bounty on me does not alter your ability to attack me without CONCORD intervention. You would still need kill rights.


The change is that IF someone has kill rights on me, they could make those kill right public so others that want to kill me could buy those kill rights and use them. If no one has kill rights on me, because I've not attacked them, then there is no one to buy the kill rights from.


That has nothing to do with the bounty system.

The bounty sytem doesn't rely on a kill right. You neither need a kill right to place it, or a kill right to accept it.


You HAVE to accpet a CONTRACT to shoot the person. I have to go to an agent, select a bounty contract, and then hunt you down.

You can't hide in high sec with a bounty so that no one can shoot you, if you could the bounty system woudln't work and would be as pointless as the current one, as everyone with a bounty would just park that person in high sec so that no one can shoot them.
Hypercake Mix
#129 - 2012-11-01 19:13:43 UTC
Maybe. Maybe not.

But it's going to be interesting to see people getting creative with it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#130 - 2012-11-01 19:14:18 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Are you trying to say that you can't shoot people in high sec with a bounty on them? Because I'm pretty sure that's not right, seeing as they removed the need to pod; seeing as you can't pod anyone in high sec.


You can shoot anyone you want but if they're not a legal target, you will be concorded. Having a bounty doesn't make a player a legal target, neither does accepting a bounty to kill them.

Oh god.
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#131 - 2012-11-01 19:15:16 UTC
@Natsett Amuinn

That's what the bullet point says. You can't shoot people with a bounty just because they have the bounty.. accept the bounty or not, doesn't change anything. If that is not the intent, they need to change the wording quickly.

Is that stupid? Not going to argue that point. I'm merely trying to point out what it says and what it means to an english speaking person (no offense intended to anyone who is not native english speaker!!).

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#132 - 2012-11-01 19:17:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Too bad that tech isn't an ISK faucet


Are you sure?

We are talking about 1 trillion isk / month / moon.
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2012-11-01 19:17:45 UTC
Geligdio Khan wrote:


Basically CCP has a choice, accept High Sec culture (as in living there for the whole time you play the game is completely legitimate) and let that suck the rest of the game dry.



Please explain to me how people living in high sec sucks the rest of the game dry.
Robert De'Arneth
#134 - 2012-11-01 19:19:31 UTC
Seems some people need to go and read the dev blogs, because they have no idea what the hell they are talking about.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#135 - 2012-11-01 19:21:00 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
@Natsett Amuinn

That's what the bullet point says. You can't shoot people with a bounty just because they have the bounty.. accept the bounty or not, doesn't change anything. If that is not the intent, they need to change the wording quickly.

Is that stupid? Not going to argue that point. I'm merely trying to point out what it says and what it means to an english speaking person (no offense intended to anyone who is not native english speaker!!).

I'm going to start a thread and see if we can get some clarification on that line.

I'm pretty sure it's only there to indicate that it doesn't generate a FFA flag that would allow everyone to just shoot someone with a bounty legally.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#136 - 2012-11-01 19:22:10 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Too bad that tech isn't an ISK faucet


Are you sure?

We are talking about 1 trillion isk / month / moon.

Well this was fairly inevitable.
Oaiso
#137 - 2012-11-01 19:22:34 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:



Did you ever stop to ask yourself

"Would CCP really turn highsec into lowsec where I can just go around killing everyone with minimal consequences?"

You should have, before you went on this whimsical flight of fancy and then took it as reality.
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#138 - 2012-11-01 19:22:35 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Dar Manic wrote:
@Natsett Amuinn

That's what the bullet point says. You can't shoot people with a bounty just because they have the bounty.. accept the bounty or not, doesn't change anything. If that is not the intent, they need to change the wording quickly.

Is that stupid? Not going to argue that point. I'm merely trying to point out what it says and what it means to an english speaking person (no offense intended to anyone who is not native english speaker!!).

I'm going to start a thread and see if we can get some clarification on that line.

I'm pretty sure it's only there to indicate that it doesn't generate a FFA flag that would allow everyone to just shoot someone with a bounty legally.


I agree 100%. Clarification is definitely need from CCP/Devs.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2012-11-01 19:24:33 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Too bad that tech isn't an ISK faucet


Are you sure?

We are talking about 1 trillion isk / month / moon.



But that does not add ISK to the game, it just transfers it from one player to another.

ISK faucets add ISK where ISK did not exist before. Bounties is he major ISK faucet, injecting new ISK where none existed before. Skill books, BPOs, loyalty points stores, rents, market taxes... these are ISK sinks, taking ISK from a player and putting in no where.

Players buying stuff from other players is neither an ISK sink or an ISK faucet.



In real world application, we say that we "make" money by trading our goods are services for the money. In fact, we "earn" money in exchange for our goods and services, but really are just transferring it from one person to another. In the current, fiat money economy, money is created when it is borrowed into existence, which creates offsetting debt. Money is destroyed when the debt is repaid or defaults and is written off as non-collectable.

Robert De'Arneth
#140 - 2012-11-01 19:24:43 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Dar Manic wrote:
@Natsett Amuinn

That's what the bullet point says. You can't shoot people with a bounty just because they have the bounty.. accept the bounty or not, doesn't change anything. If that is not the intent, they need to change the wording quickly.

Is that stupid? Not going to argue that point. I'm merely trying to point out what it says and what it means to an english speaking person (no offense intended to anyone who is not native english speaker!!).

I'm going to start a thread and see if we can get some clarification on that line.

I'm pretty sure it's only there to indicate that it doesn't generate a FFA flag that would allow everyone to just shoot someone with a bounty legally.



None needed, you are wrong and you should take your advice and go read the dev blog.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite.