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Will the new bounty system save EvE?
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Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#101 - 2012-11-01 18:35:34 UTC
For the record, miners add value, not ISK to the economy.

Ratters and missioners add ISK.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#102 - 2012-11-01 18:37:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Lipbite wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Suicide ganking will be unaffected.


Surely suicide ganking will be affected: suicide ganker in Tornado w/o any tank with 100m bounty is an easy / desired target for a suicide ganker in Catalyst or Vexor.

If you are in a fleet of suicide gankers, and one of your fleet mates has a bounty, its worth your while to aim one gun at him so you get the killmail and the bounty.

Edit: Even if the kill is CONCORD's, if you do one point of damage, you get credit. Maybe even if you attack with anything, even a target painter, you may get credit.

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NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-11-01 18:40:05 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I'm wondering if maybe there should be a small delay to curb people flying around with alts or a group of friends, placing a bounty on a miner, and then blowing them up with the alt or have their friends do it.


What would be the point? A bounty does not grant kill rights. And, you will get back something like 20% of what you pay to place the bounty. Put a 100 million ISK bounty on someone, it costs you 100 million iSK. Blow up his 100 million ISK ship, you still get CONCOIRDed, you get a 20 million ISK payout on the bounty, and 80 million iSK bounty remains on teh player to be collected on future kills.

There is no GAIN to it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#104 - 2012-11-01 18:41:43 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I know people are going to rage over the bounty system, hell that's exactly what the OP is already doing,

they'll just rush to the forums and cry that they're going to quit if CCP doesn't make it so that bounties can't be placed on them. I expect the OP to be one of those people.


If you say so.

Oh god.
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2012-11-01 18:41:53 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Suicide ganking will be unaffected.


Surely suicide ganking will be affected: suicide ganker in Tornado w/o any tank with 100m bounty is an easy / desired target for a suicide ganker in Catalyst or Vexor.

If you are in a fleet of suicide gankers, and one of your fleet mates has a bounty, its worth your while to aim one gun at him so you get the killmail and the bounty.


Pretty tough to time the final blow.
Anslo
Scope Works
#106 - 2012-11-01 18:43:55 UTC
mistake~

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#107 - 2012-11-01 18:44:03 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
If you are in a fleet of suicide gankers, and one of your fleet mates has a bounty, its worth your while to aim one gun at him so you get the killmail and the bounty.


Unless you do final blow your fleet won't receive bounty. So you better point all your guns on the person with bounty.
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#108 - 2012-11-01 18:45:59 UTC
Have to re-post since the arguments being made are oblivious to it:

Quote:
"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

It appears you don't put bounties on someone you want to grief and then your friends can kill them in hi-sec. This indicates you don't gain the right to legally attack in hi-sec just because of the bounty. :)


Bounty hunting is not changing that much peeps. :)

I just don't understand null sec players.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#109 - 2012-11-01 18:46:01 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Suicide ganking will be unaffected.


Surely suicide ganking will be affected: suicide ganker in Tornado w/o any tank with 100m bounty is an easy / desired target for a suicide ganker in Catalyst or Vexor.

If you are in a fleet of suicide gankers, and one of your fleet mates has a bounty, its worth your while to aim one gun at him so you get the killmail and the bounty.


Pretty tough to time the final blow.

CONCORD's blows do not count in figuring who gets the final blow (if I remember correctly...), just the last player to shoot before the explosion.

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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#110 - 2012-11-01 18:48:13 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Quote:


Will the new bounty system save EvE?


Who says EVE needs saving?

Mr Epeen Cool


Once again I agree with Mr E Peen
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2012-11-01 18:48:34 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
NARDAC wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Suicide ganking will be unaffected.


Surely suicide ganking will be affected: suicide ganker in Tornado w/o any tank with 100m bounty is an easy / desired target for a suicide ganker in Catalyst or Vexor.

If you are in a fleet of suicide gankers, and one of your fleet mates has a bounty, its worth your while to aim one gun at him so you get the killmail and the bounty.


Pretty tough to time the final blow.

CONCORD's blows do not count in figuring who gets the final blow (if I remember correctly...), just the last player to shoot before the explosion.


Ahhh,... interesting.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#112 - 2012-11-01 18:56:31 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I'm wondering if maybe there should be a small delay to curb people flying around with alts or a group of friends, placing a bounty on a miner, and then blowing them up with the alt or have their friends do it.


What would be the point? A bounty does not grant kill rights. And, you will get back something like 20% of what you pay to place the bounty. Put a 100 million ISK bounty on someone, it costs you 100 million iSK. Blow up his 100 million ISK ship, you still get CONCOIRDed, you get a 20 million ISK payout on the bounty, and 80 million iSK bounty remains on teh player to be collected on future kills.

There is no GAIN to it.



It grants a kill right to anyone that accepts the bounty, it doesn't grant a kill right to the person that places the bounty. Where are some of you getting the "it doesn't grant kill rights" line from? How the hell do you collect a bounty without a kill right?

I'm wonder, sinse you only quoted that one line, did you actually read the other part.

I go into a belt, see a miner, place a bounty, immediately accept that bounty with my alt and blow up the miner. Gankers don't care that they lose money and you only need to place an extremely small amount of isk on someone to create a bounty, you don't need millions, you only need thousands. A ganker loses a crapton of isk ganking barges at the moment, if he can put a bunty on you for 25k so that he can gank you with his alt, he's losing less with the bounty system than he's losing suicide ganking.

If there's no delay, or even a warning that a bunty is placed on you, than I can indeed use it to allow myself to blow up barges without getting concorded by using my alt, on another account, to blow up the barge.


Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#113 - 2012-11-01 18:57:22 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I know people are going to rage over the bounty system, hell that's exactly what the OP is already doing,

they'll just rush to the forums and cry that they're going to quit if CCP doesn't make it so that bounties can't be placed on them. I expect the OP to be one of those people.


If you say so.

Pretty sure that's exactly what I did, and what you're doing.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-11-01 18:58:24 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Suicide ganking will be unaffected.


Surely suicide ganking will be affected: suicide ganker in Tornado w/o any tank with 100m bounty is an easy / desired target for a suicide ganker in Catalyst or Vexor.

If you are in a fleet of suicide gankers, and one of your fleet mates has a bounty, its worth your while to aim one gun at him so you get the killmail and the bounty.


Pretty tough to time the final blow.

Final blow doesn't count in fleet. If you're in a fleet it's split between everyone in the fleet.

Did you even read the dev blog?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-11-01 19:01:59 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
Have to re-post since the arguments being made are oblivious to it:

Quote:
"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

It appears you don't put bounties on someone you want to grief and then your friends can kill them in hi-sec. This indicates you don't gain the right to legally attack in hi-sec just because of the bounty. :)


Bounty hunting is not changing that much peeps. :)

I take that to mean that I can't use it to allow myself to have legal targets anywhere I want.

You can put a bounty on someone, but you can't use that bounty to shoot them. Someone else has to accept the bounty in order to shoot them.
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#116 - 2012-11-01 19:02:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Dar Manic
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
NARDAC wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I'm wondering if maybe there should be a small delay to curb people flying around with alts or a group of friends, placing a bounty on a miner, and then blowing them up with the alt or have their friends do it.


What would be the point? A bounty does not grant kill rights. And, you will get back something like 20% of what you pay to place the bounty. Put a 100 million ISK bounty on someone, it costs you 100 million iSK. Blow up his 100 million ISK ship, you still get CONCOIRDed, you get a 20 million ISK payout on the bounty, and 80 million iSK bounty remains on teh player to be collected on future kills.

There is no GAIN to it.



It grants a kill right to anyone that accepts the bounty, it doesn't grant a kill right to the person that places the bounty. Where are some of you getting the "it doesn't grant kill rights" line from? How the hell do you collect a bounty without a kill right?

I'm wonder, sinse you only quoted that one line, did you actually read the other part.

I go into a belt, see a miner, place a bounty, immediately accept that bounty with my alt and blow up the miner. Gankers don't care that they lose money and you only need to place an extremely small amount of isk on someone to create a bounty, you don't need millions, you only need thousands. A ganker loses a crapton of isk ganking barges at the moment, if he can put a bunty on you for 25k so that he can gank you with his alt, he's losing less with the bounty system than he's losing suicide ganking.

If there's no delay, or even a warning that a bunty is placed on you, than I can indeed use it to allow myself to blow up barges without getting concorded by using my alt, on another account, to blow up the barge.




In the devblog, "Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where." It's a bullet point so there's no 'context' left out. :)

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#117 - 2012-11-01 19:03:06 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Pretty sure that's exactly what I did, and what you're doing.


Pretty sure you're reading into things way to deeply.

Oh god.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-11-01 19:04:36 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
NARDAC wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I'm wondering if maybe there should be a small delay to curb people flying around with alts or a group of friends, placing a bounty on a miner, and then blowing them up with the alt or have their friends do it.


What would be the point? A bounty does not grant kill rights. And, you will get back something like 20% of what you pay to place the bounty. Put a 100 million ISK bounty on someone, it costs you 100 million iSK. Blow up his 100 million ISK ship, you still get CONCOIRDed, you get a 20 million ISK payout on the bounty, and 80 million iSK bounty remains on teh player to be collected on future kills.

There is no GAIN to it.



It grants a kill right to anyone that accepts the bounty, it doesn't grant a kill right to the person that places the bounty. Where are some of you getting the "it doesn't grant kill rights" line from? How the hell do you collect a bounty without a kill right?

I'm wonder, sinse you only quoted that one line, did you actually read the other part.

I go into a belt, see a miner, place a bounty, immediately accept that bounty with my alt and blow up the miner. Gankers don't care that they lose money and you only need to place an extremely small amount of isk on someone to create a bounty, you don't need millions, you only need thousands. A ganker loses a crapton of isk ganking barges at the moment, if he can put a bunty on you for 25k so that he can gank you with his alt, he's losing less with the bounty system than he's losing suicide ganking.

If there's no delay, or even a warning that a bunty is placed on you, than I can indeed use it to allow myself to blow up barges without getting concorded by using my alt, on another account, to blow up the barge.




In the devblog, "Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

It should only mean that someone has to ACCEPT THE BOUNTY.

A bounty doesn't generate a free for all flag, it generates a contract that someone has to accept in order to shoot that person. It means that if I'm flying around with a bounty you don't have the right to shoot me until you accpt the bounty contract.
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2012-11-01 19:05:05 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

It grants a kill right to anyone that accepts the bounty, it doesn't grant a kill right to the person that places the bounty. Where are some of you getting the "it doesn't grant kill rights" line from? How the hell do you collect a bounty without a kill right?



From the dev blog. It talks about kill rights, but only the ability of someone that already has kill rights being able to transfer those kill rights to someone else.

How do you collect without kill rights? Suicide gank.


Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I go into a belt, see a miner, place a bounty, immediately accept that bounty with my alt and blow up the miner.


And CONCORD comes and kills your alt, just as if you had killed them without accepting the bounty.
Anslo
Scope Works
#120 - 2012-11-01 19:05:58 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
In the devblog, "Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where." It's a bullet point so there's no 'context' left out. :)


Don't waste your energy Dar. Let them continue. Save it for something more useful, like fighting bumpers! Smile

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