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Will the new bounty system save EvE?
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Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-11-01 17:12:39 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
How can so many people be posting in a thread about the new bounty system without anyone in here understanding how the new system works? Go read the damn Devblog people.

QFT. seriously, people cant read here.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#62 - 2012-11-01 17:15:33 UTC
I think it's going to be great. People don't suicide gank others thinking they will survive... that's why it's called "suicide" ganking. Suicide ganking will be unaffected. Buying killrights is awesome. It's just one more thing people have to think about dying from in empire. Any time you give people one more thing to think about there will be those that screw it up. ...so that should be fun. Bounty hunting isn't going to have a big affect on high sec, other than possibly driving wars. I think there will be more wars. All good things, all around. Looking forward to it. Big smile

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Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#63 - 2012-11-01 17:16:59 UTC
"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

Concord is still effect then??? :)

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#64 - 2012-11-01 17:18:46 UTC
I'm going to buy as many cheap kill rights as I can. You never know when it might pay off if you see someone flying something tasty.

Oh god.
Riot Girl
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#65 - 2012-11-01 17:19:20 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

Concord is still effect then??? :)


If the player isn't flagged as a legal target, yes.

Oh god.
Anslo
Scope Works
#66 - 2012-11-01 17:19:23 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

Concord is still effect then??? :)


You can have kill rights purchased on an individual that lasts for about 15 minutes and cost...either 1mil or 10mil..i don't remember.

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Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#67 - 2012-11-01 17:20:57 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Dar Manic wrote:
"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

Concord is still effect then??? :)


You can have kill rights purchased on an individual that lasts for about 15 minutes and cost...either 1mil or 10mil..i don't remember.


Kill rights <> bounties

Concord doesn't interfere in kill right situations. They will interfere in bounty situation. :)

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-11-01 17:22:44 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
[quote=NARDAC]
You've misunderstood how the new system will work. Read the devblog on how it will work. You wont be able to have a friend just collect the bounty, not without you loosing large amounts of ISK and valuable spaceships.


But, if I figure that the bounty is large enough to make it worth people killing me, and I assume the loss will happen eventually, I may as well get it out of the way.

You put a 100 million ISK bounty on me (and why would you?). Okay, I figure people will be looking for me to kill me. So, I go ahead and lose the 500 million ISK worth of ships to a friend, so at least he gets the 100 million... and the loot and salvage.

Heck, do it in a T2 ship, and there is a chance the T2 salvage pays for the loss anyway.

Fewer exploits, maybe, but exploits none the less.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#69 - 2012-11-01 17:23:15 UTC
Anyone who wants the game they play to lose subs should volunteer to be the first.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#70 - 2012-11-01 17:23:49 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Silk daShocka wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them.
No. Partly because the ISK isn't gone, and partly because it has nothing to do with bounties.

Either way, it's not a sink.


Actually!

I think it was stated in the dev blog that if an account goes inactive, the ISK placed in the bounty dissapears. So it will be an ISK sink, of a sort.


So unsub for a day and no more bounty?


I am not certain what CCP counts as an inactive account or not.

6 months of not being able to log in the account is needed. Then the bounty is returned to the originator.

This means that

a) Its not an isk sink. It comes back
b) Anyone can clear any bounty on themselves by suspending their account for 6 months. If you choose to do this, be sure to enter "To clear an undesired bounty" on the form CCP gives you when you suspend your account.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-11-01 17:25:57 UTC
Casirio wrote:
No, you heard wrong.

Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about what was happening in December, not potential vaporware.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#72 - 2012-11-01 17:27:29 UTC
"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

It appears you don't put bounties on someone you want to grief and then your friends can kill them in hi-sec. This indicates you don't gain the right to legally attack in hi-sec just because of the bounty. :)

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#73 - 2012-11-01 17:27:46 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
a) Its not an isk sink. It comes back
b) Anyone can clear any bounty on themselves by suspending their account for 6 months. If you choose to do this, be sure to enter "To clear an undesired bounty" on the form CCP gives you when you suspend your account.


Well that sucks. Either way, I don't think anyone cares about single handedly saving the economy as long as they're having fun and making eachother miserable.

Oh god.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#74 - 2012-11-01 17:28:31 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."

It appears you don't put bounties on someone you want to grief and then your friends can kill them in hi-sec. This indicates you don't gain the right to legally attack in hi-sec just because of the bounty. :)


Yes, that's right. Thanks for your input.

Oh god.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-11-01 17:29:56 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
[quote=NARDAC]
You've misunderstood how the new system will work. Read the devblog on how it will work. You wont be able to have a friend just collect the bounty, not without you loosing large amounts of ISK and valuable spaceships.


But, if I figure that the bounty is large enough to make it worth people killing me, and I assume the loss will happen eventually, I may as well get it out of the way.

You put a 100 million ISK bounty on me (and why would you?). Okay, I figure people will be looking for me to kill me. So, I go ahead and lose the 500 million ISK worth of ships to a friend, so at least he gets the 100 million... and the loot and salvage.

Heck, do it in a T2 ship, and there is a chance the T2 salvage pays for the loss anyway.

Fewer exploits, maybe, but exploits none the less.


I will put 100 mil bounty on you just to see you take the cowards way out and let your friend blow up 500 mil worth of your ships. Still win for me.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#76 - 2012-11-01 17:30:33 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
[quote=NARDAC]
You've misunderstood how the new system will work. Read the devblog on how it will work. You wont be able to have a friend just collect the bounty, not without you loosing large amounts of ISK and valuable spaceships.


But, if I figure that the bounty is large enough to make it worth people killing me, and I assume the loss will happen eventually, I may as well get it out of the way.

You put a 100 million ISK bounty on me (and why would you?). Okay, I figure people will be looking for me to kill me. So, I go ahead and lose the 500 million ISK worth of ships to a friend, so at least he gets the 100 million... and the loot and salvage.

Heck, do it in a T2 ship, and there is a chance the T2 salvage pays for the loss anyway.

Fewer exploits, maybe, but exploits none the less.


That's not an exploit. That's one fool deciding to loose 400m for no good reason.

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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#77 - 2012-11-01 17:34:05 UTC
Perhaps the bounty system will have the complete opposite affect?

Seems to me that miners would love to have those bumping stabbers blown to bits.

If griefing miners starts to become something that can earn you a bounty, perhaps it will thin the miner hater herd?
Oaiso
#78 - 2012-11-01 17:35:01 UTC
Throwing away ISK on random people mining rocks.

Let's see how long this lasts.

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NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2012-11-01 17:35:27 UTC
Casirio wrote:

I will put 100 mil bounty on you just to see you take the cowards way out and let your friend blow up 500 mil worth of your ships. Still win for me.


How do you figure?

You lose the 100 million. I lose some subset of the 500 million that is not recouped by the 100M payout, drops and salvage.

How is that a win for you?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#80 - 2012-11-01 17:37:10 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:
Perhaps the bounty system will have the complete opposite affect?

Seems to me that miners would love to have those bumping stabbers blown to bits.

If griefing miners starts to become something that can earn you a bounty, perhaps it will thin the miner hater herd?


I'm not sure if it's profitable to suicide gank a stabber. The reward is only 500k.

Oh god.