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Will the new bounty system save EvE?
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#41 - 2012-11-01 16:51:21 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:
That's like saying, I have 100 million in my wallet, I dont' plan to spend this because I want to help the eve economy, but I"m not sure if I can manage to keep this isk in my wallet. I dont think we would call this an isk sink, because you can't predict the future.


No, it's like saying, "I have 100 million in my wallet, I'm going to place a bounty on another player, hopefully encouraging them to quit the game and remove my isk from the economy".

Oh god.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-11-01 16:51:49 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I just want to point out that you are still not going to be able to place bonties on people with a high sec rating



I've added bounty on pilots with 5.0 sec standing on Duality few minutes ago. Also on their corps.


Quote:
•Bounties can now be placed from anywhere in the game, not just the Bounty Office in stations. Bounties on the same character go into a joint pool, same as now. The minimum ISK amount for placing a bounty is increased from 5k to 100k. Also, bounties can now be placed on anyone, we’re removing the -1 security standing requirement currently in the bounty system.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#43 - 2012-11-01 16:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Montevius Williams wrote:
But why do you want people quitting? CCP doesn't need the revenue? What real life corporation would be happy with loosing customers/subscribers?


I don't want people to quit. That would be mean!

Oh god.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#44 - 2012-11-01 16:53:19 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
The two main complaints about high-sec right now are;
1. Suicide ganking isn't profitable enough for the effort.
2. High-sec players get too much isk for too little reward.


Which in nonsense.

None of it comes close to addressing the real problems EVE has, which is everything outside of hisec.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2012-11-01 16:53:48 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
No, it's like saying, "I have 100 million in my wallet, I'm going to place a bounty on another player, hopefully encouraging them to quit the game and remove my isk from the economy".
Still not a sink.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#46 - 2012-11-01 16:55:54 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I just want to point out that you are still not going to be able to place bonties on people with a high sec rating



I've added bounty on pilots with 5.0 sec standing on Duality few minutes ago. Also on their corps.

Can you do it on on anything above that?

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#47 - 2012-11-01 16:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Eve doesn't need saving, but if it did, the bounty system would save it.

Tippia wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
No, it's like saying, "I have 100 million in my wallet, I'm going to place a bounty on another player, hopefully encouraging them to quit the game and remove my isk from the economy".
Still not a sink.


On a theoretical basis, it is. PvPers need to PvE to get ISK to PvP at the moment, therefore they are generating ISK into the economy. With the bounty system these people will be able to get some of their ISK from PvP (something that is currently very very difficult), which means they will be PvEing less. Taking away people's need to bring ISK into the game is as good (if not better) than taking it out.

Also, although technically not a sink, it will remove ISK from being "fluid assets" by having it stored on someone's bounty. In tern making less ISK in circulation, which will work very similarly to an ISK sink.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#48 - 2012-11-01 16:58:35 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I just want to point out that you are still not going to be able to place bonties on people with a high sec rating



I've added bounty on pilots with 5.0 sec standing on Duality few minutes ago. Also on their corps.

Can you do it on on anything above that?


....do you know how few people are above 5.0? Shocked

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Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#49 - 2012-11-01 16:59:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Krell Kroenen
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Can you do it on on anything above that?


If you can place them on any corps or alliance regardless of the sec status of the members what does that tell you?
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#50 - 2012-11-01 17:02:44 UTC
Krell Kroenen wrote:
If you can place them on any corps or alliance regardless of the sec status of the members what does that tell you?

That you can place it on the corps and alliances. Not on the players.

Anslo wrote:
....do you know how few people are above 5.0?


Actually quite a few but I am not at liberty to release their information.

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Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-11-01 17:05:11 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Krell Kroenen wrote:
If you can place them on any corps or alliance regardless of the sec status of the members what does that tell you?

That you can place it on the corps and alliances. Not on the players.

Anslo wrote:
....do you know how few people are above 5.0?


Actually quite a few but I am not at liberty to release their information.


can you guys ******* read? Seriously..
Quote:
•Bounties can now be placed from anywhere in the game, not just the Bounty Office in stations. Bounties on the same character go into a joint pool, same as now. The minimum ISK amount for placing a bounty is increased from 5k to 100k. Also, bounties can now be placed on anyone, we’re removing the -1 security standing requirement currently in the bounty system.
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-11-01 17:05:27 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Eve doesn't need saving, but if it did, the bounty system would save it.

Tippia wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
No, it's like saying, "I have 100 million in my wallet, I'm going to place a bounty on another player, hopefully encouraging them to quit the game and remove my isk from the economy".
Still not a sink.


On a theoretical basis, it is. PvPers need to PvE to get ISK to PvP at the moment, therefore they are generating ISK into the economy. With the bounty system these people will be able to get some of their ISK from PvP (something that is currently very very difficult), which means they will be PvEing less. Taking away people's need to bring ISK into the game is as good (if not better) than taking it out.

Also, although technically not a sink, it will remove ISK from being "fluid assets" by having it stored on someone's bounty. In tern making less ISK in circulation, which will work very similarly to an ISK sink.



But why would I pay money to put a bounty on someone.


I understand why suicide gankers may want more ISK for killing carebears. But, why would I pay them to shoot a carebear?

More likely, the bounties are going to be put on the suicide gankers, by the carebears, to make it MORE expensive to suicide gank... when someone suicide ganks you to get the bounty.


Then, there is the issue that if a bounty is put on me, i can just have a friend gank me to collect the bounty and make it safer for me to undock again.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#53 - 2012-11-01 17:06:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Krell Kroenen wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Can you do it on on anything above that?


If you can place them on any corps or alliance regardless of the sec status of the members what does that tell you?


At the moment you can place bounties on everyone and every corp / alliance. Minimum bounty for pilot is 100k ISK, for corp 20m. Not sure about (edit: bounty size for an) alliance - didn't tried it. But for sure there are no limits: I've selected "carebearish" missioning and WH corps to check if security status of members may affect anything. It didn't - bounties were palced successfully.

This will be the end of specialized (hi sec) mining corps probably.
Anslo
Scope Works
#54 - 2012-11-01 17:07:14 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Eve doesn't need saving, but if it did, the bounty system would save it.

Tippia wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
No, it's like saying, "I have 100 million in my wallet, I'm going to place a bounty on another player, hopefully encouraging them to quit the game and remove my isk from the economy".
Still not a sink.


On a theoretical basis, it is. PvPers need to PvE to get ISK to PvP at the moment, therefore they are generating ISK into the economy. With the bounty system these people will be able to get some of their ISK from PvP (something that is currently very very difficult), which means they will be PvEing less. Taking away people's need to bring ISK into the game is as good (if not better) than taking it out.

Also, although technically not a sink, it will remove ISK from being "fluid assets" by having it stored on someone's bounty. In tern making less ISK in circulation, which will work very similarly to an ISK sink.



But why would I pay money to put a bounty on someone.


I understand why suicide gankers may want more ISK for killing carebears. But, why would I pay them to shoot a carebear?

More likely, the bounties are going to be put on the suicide gankers, by the carebears, to make it MORE expensive to suicide gank... when someone suicide ganks you to get the bounty.


Then, there is the issue that if a bounty is put on me, i can just have a friend gank me to collect the bounty and make it safer for me to undock again.


If only...they can set the bounty to ONLY be collectible by a certain person or corp. I foresee...issues with this.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#55 - 2012-11-01 17:08:54 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Tippia wrote:
the new bounty system isn't an ISK sink

It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them.

Bounties on accounts that are suspended is returned.

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Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-11-01 17:09:35 UTC
NARDAC wrote:

Then, there is the issue that if a bounty is put on me, i can just have a friend gank me to collect the bounty and make it safer for me to undock again.


It will only give your friend a percent of what your ship is worth from the pool of your bounty. So if you have a high bounty, you will still have a high bounty if your friend blows you up, and will continue until you pool is gone. And again, the only incentive for you to let your friend blow you up is maybe to be "safer" but not to make isk.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#57 - 2012-11-01 17:10:20 UTC
NARDAC wrote:

But why would I pay money to put a bounty on someone.


I understand why suicide gankers may want more ISK for killing carebears. But, why would I pay them to shoot a carebear?

More likely, the bounties are going to be put on the suicide gankers, by the carebears, to make it MORE expensive to suicide gank... when someone suicide ganks you to get the bounty.


Then, there is the issue that if a bounty is put on me, i can just have a friend gank me to collect the bounty and make it safer for me to undock again.


You've misunderstood how the new system will work. Read the devblog on how it will work. You wont be able to have a friend just collect the bounty, not without you loosing large amounts of ISK and valuable spaceships.

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NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-11-01 17:10:46 UTC
Lipbite wrote:

This will be the end of specialized (hi sec) mining corps probably.



Explain.

1) Why would you pay to put a bounty on the corp?

2) Someone puts a bounty on a mining corp. They have a fried kill one of their member and collect the bounty. Bounty goes away when the ISK is paid.

Why would this end specialized high-sec mining corps?
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#59 - 2012-11-01 17:11:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
How can so many people be posting in a thread about the new bounty system without anyone in here understanding how the new system works? Go read the damn Devblog people.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446

OP, please add a link to the devblog to your post.

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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#60 - 2012-11-01 17:11:39 UTC
Wow I actually read the whole post of OP.

and all I have to say is...OP is "special"

also posting /w main. place all your bounty on me.

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