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Will the new bounty system save EvE?
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Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-11-01 16:32:52 UTC
cant wait for the new bounty system. will shake up the game for the good. I heard that you can place a bounty and only allow a certain person/corp/alliance to be able to collect it? Will be really interesting for merc groups to be able to get contracts using game mechanics. I think I read that in the dev blog, but not sure if it will be realsed quiet yet. They also mentioned placing bounties on structures/pos's, another awesome thing for mercs when it happens. I'm super excited, 2 days before my birthday as well!
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-11-01 16:33:01 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Sometimes you don't need to read the first sentence, but the last sentence to identify the quality of a post.


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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-11-01 16:34:04 UTC
Casirio wrote:
I heard that you can place a bounty and only allow a certain person/corp/alliance to be able to collect it?

You heard wrong.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#24 - 2012-11-01 16:34:14 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them.
No. Partly because the ISK isn't gone, and partly because it has nothing to do with bounties.

Either way, it's not a sink.


Actually!

I think it was stated in the dev blog that if an account goes inactive, the ISK placed in the bounty dissapears. So it will be an ISK sink, of a sort.


So unsub for a day and no more bounty?


I am not certain what CCP counts as an inactive account or not.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#25 - 2012-11-01 16:35:47 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Sometimes you don't need to read the first sentence, but the last sentence to identify the quality of a post.


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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#26 - 2012-11-01 16:36:08 UTC
dethleffs wrote:
But that goes for the isk in an account itself too. Of course that would be an isk sink, but it hasnt got anything to do with bounties primarily

Unless the bounties become a large cause of people quitting.

Oh god.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-11-01 16:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Casirio
Some Rando wrote:
Casirio wrote:
I heard that you can place a bounty and only allow a certain person/corp/alliance to be able to collect it?

You heard wrong.


No, you heard wrong.
Casirio wrote:
I heard that you can place a bounty and only allow a certain person/corp/alliance to be able to collect it? Will be really interesting for merc groups to be able to get contracts using game mechanics. I think I read that in the dev blog, but not sure if it will be realsed quiet yet.


Quote:
Iterative Work

There are a few additional things we’re looking into as a possible post-Retribution iteration work. Some of that stuff is too early to discuss right now, but here are a few tidbits of what could happen:

•Structure bounties – this is the ability to put a bounty directly on a structure like POS or POCO. While this is indirectly achieved by the ability to place a bounty on the owning corporation, being able to place it on a structure instead allows for a more directed strategic incentive.
•Private/public bounties – the ability to narrow the selection of who can claim your bounty. This would allow people to have more control over who can reap the benefits of the bounty and gives the receiver confidence that he will be rewarded for his efforts.
•More selective kill right selling – this is similar to the one above, only for kill rights instead of bounties. This basically allows the owner of the kill right to select more carefully who can purchase the kill right.
Ghazu
#28 - 2012-11-01 16:41:21 UTC
CONCORD is corrupt and takes 1% of bounties for looking the other way, boom isk sink.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Dessau
The Scope
#29 - 2012-11-01 16:41:31 UTC
I suspect consequences in High Sec (via a cycle of griefing and comeuppance) will have a lot of anti-social types squealing in GD.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#30 - 2012-11-01 16:43:25 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
dethleffs wrote:
But that goes for the isk in an account itself too. Of course that would be an isk sink, but it hasnt got anything to do with bounties primarily

Unless the bounties become a large cause of people quitting.


Still woulnd't be an Isk sink.

A practical example of why it isn't:

Let's say ALOT of miners quit cause of this, then CCP has a meeting and says, hey guys, I think that whole bounty thing, well, you know, we're losing money. Retribution 1.1 release notes: Mining barges no longer reward bounties.

Then miners resub, they stlil have the isk, since it was never removed.

I'm not trying to insinuate that miners will unsub en masse due to bounties, I only used this as an example since it was the first thing that came to mind.
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Blackwater International
#31 - 2012-11-01 16:44:13 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I
Every time a carebear quits EvE, they are removing ISK from the economy, thus creating the ISK sink the game needs.


Actually, carebears make a lot of the items that the EVE economy is based on. Get rid of the carebears, and the game goes down the tubes. Someone has to make the cheaper ships, you can't always depend on the nullsec alliances to supply stuff.

http://eve-sojourn.blogspot.com/
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#32 - 2012-11-01 16:44:54 UTC
I just want to point out that you are still not going to be able to place bonties on people with a high sec rating.

No it's not mentioned.

The evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence.

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NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-11-01 16:45:15 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
We can force people to participate in PvP even if they pretend they don't want to.



1) They are not pretending.

2) Since you can't force them to play the game, you can't force them to PVP. Attempt to force them to PVP, and they quit playing. How does that "save" EVE to have fewer players?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#34 - 2012-11-01 16:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ghazu wrote:
CONCORD is corrupt and takes 1% of bounties for looking the other way, boom isk sink.

They won't be looking the other way, though, so that wouldn't make much sense.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I think it was stated in the dev blog that if an account goes inactive, the ISK placed in the bounty dissapears. So it will be an ISK sink, of a sort.
It will only (maybe) happen if the account is inactive “for a long time”. So nah…
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#35 - 2012-11-01 16:45:50 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:
Let's say ALOT of miners quit cause of this, then CCP has a meeting and says, hey guys, I think that whole bounty thing, well, you know, we're losing money. Retribution 1.1 release notes: Mining barges no longer reward bounties.

Then miners resub, they stlil have the isk, since it was never removed.

I'm not trying to insinuate that miners will unsub en masse due to bounties, I only used this as an example since it was the first thing that came to mind.


Well I can't predict the future, I can only speculate with the information we currently have.

Oh god.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#36 - 2012-11-01 16:47:04 UTC
Ilnaurk Sithdogron wrote:
Actually, carebears make a lot of the items that the EVE economy is based on. Get rid of the carebears, and the game goes down the tubes. Someone has to make the cheaper ships, you can't always depend on the nullsec alliances to supply stuff.

Yeah, that's something that seems to bother a lot of players. I've never really cared about that much.

Oh god.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#37 - 2012-11-01 16:47:51 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I just want to point out that you are still not going to be able to place bonties on people with a high sec rating.

No it's not mentioned.

The evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence.

I thought you could place a bounty on any player with any sec rating. Wasn't that one of the main features of the new system?

Oh god.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#38 - 2012-11-01 16:48:08 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Silk daShocka wrote:
Let's say ALOT of miners quit cause of this, then CCP has a meeting and says, hey guys, I think that whole bounty thing, well, you know, we're losing money. Retribution 1.1 release notes: Mining barges no longer reward bounties.

Then miners resub, they stlil have the isk, since it was never removed.

I'm not trying to insinuate that miners will unsub en masse due to bounties, I only used this as an example since it was the first thing that came to mind.


Well I can't predict the future, I can only speculate with the information we currently have.


Which would be why it isn't an isk sink...

That's like saying, I have 100 million in my wallet, I dont' plan to spend this because I want to help the eve economy, but I"m not sure if I can manage to keep this isk in my wallet. I dont think we would call this an isk sink, because you can't predict the future.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-11-01 16:48:45 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
dethleffs wrote:
But that goes for the isk in an account itself too. Of course that would be an isk sink, but it hasnt got anything to do with bounties primarily

Unless the bounties become a large cause of people quitting.



But why do you want people quitting? CCP doesn't need the revenue? What real life corporation would be happy with loosing customers/subscribers?

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#40 - 2012-11-01 16:49:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I just want to point out that you are still not going to be able to place bonties on people with a high sec rating



I've added bounty on pilots with 5.0 sec standing on Duality few minutes ago. Also on their corps.