EVE General Discussion

I couldn't care less for the miner bumping, but man, that first quote is probably the most ****** up line of argumentation I've ever seen. Locke, Rousseau, Hobbes and Co. must be rolling in their graves right now. Maybe even Nietzsche.

James 514, bump miners all you want, but please, stop pretending you are smart. It's ok you are ignorang about political philosophy, not everyone understands it --even though it's the most accessible kind of philosophy--, but if you want to expose such ideas, at least make the effort to visit Wikipedia.

Here is where philosophies differ. One group believes that players should provide consequences and refuses to think like a victim, while the other believes that game mechanics should provide consequences and thinks that other players victimize them.

Unfortunately for the second group EVE provides the first with the means to extort, steal from, and kill everyone else should they have the might, wits, and/or friends to do so. If you can't accept that you are responsible for defending yourself and your possessions within this game, then you may not be fit to play it.

The real problem is that nonconsensual PvP has been nerfed and unpatched for so long in highsec that it has now become impossible to effectively deliver 'consequences' or contest access to resources and space. Reaching the point where now some guy with a stabber fleet issue with no guns is able to bully highsec ice miners all day. Of course, since it was mainly them who pushed the changes through and angrily opposed any patching of the loopholes to get out of wardecs, it is very hard to feel any sort of sympathy for them.

Yes, No, Maybe so, but they aren't sociopaths who flip burgers, they're sociopaths who work in marketing, advertising, IT, and a number of other jobs that are of superficial relevance and rely on the 'Con.'

Kind of like Car Salesman, most of these jobs aren't so much technical, time consuming, or labor intensive, as requiring the ability to 'con'vince someone that they want something, need something, or should do something, or even that they must believe in something.

IT does require some technical expertise of course, (particularly if the IT professional actually does administration and the like), and advertising and marketing do rely on some knowledge of trends and the like, but are generally much less technical. The favorite of the people who fall into this category, is of course, getting other people to do there work for them. No wonder it is so appealing to sociopaths.



ah.. haahaha.. don't mind me; I had to spend most of my paycheque on Winter tires today, right before dumping the majority of the rest of it into phone bill, rent, gas, and a bit of food. Enough that I can't actually afford the food. Sad. f'n inflation and a government who is adding to it by introducing new legislation, workplace regulations, vehicle safety enforcement, and all sorts of other stuff that is increasing prices and forcing people to buy products or pay for services, or licensing and tickets, and etc... bs

Speaking of economic nightmares, consider the influence of requirements for all companies to have all employees, supervisors, etc WHMIS certified, to provide that training regularly, to provide labeling, keep track of labeling, make sure employees know each and every controlled product, it's dangers, first aid treatment, and clean-up measures, provide the products, absorbent spill pillows, material clean-up, etc.. for each of those products and have it available and accessible to each and every employee on site, ..and..

Not only that, but it even applies to consumer products such as the glass cleaner used to clean the office windows. Now imagine how all that added management, micromanagement, inventory control, added inventory and storage and dispensation of all those added products, resources, etc.. are going to affect your bottom line, and then think of the fact that every business in the country has to do it.

This started last week.

Related, Unrelated, or What?

..anyway, the current inflation is probably unrelated; I expect that to become a problem later. More taxes, taxes on taxes, fees paid to the government, environmental levies, and now I can't just buy 2 tires for my car for winter, but I must buy 4, or go without winter tires at all, ..on a front wheel drive.

I almost went without. The reason I didn't is simply that I live on top of a rather long hill, have a car that doesn't appear to have very good poor weather traction, and my drive to and from work is on the worst section of Winter highway in the area, that is often closed and very often has multiple vehicles rolled, flipped, tossed, dumped, or crumpled every km, every day, during those periods when it is open, snowing, windy, (always windy there), or generally hazardous, but not impassable.

pita

The money.

Bots have tears?

Golly, who woulda thunk it?

We're doomed.

On the EVEO General Discussion forums, it was discovered that the end was swiftly approaching. I posted. I was there.

They log in.

No, I didn't miss it. I rejected it because of its absurdity and its reliance on the assumption that everyone is incapable of separating a game from real life. By most accounts, it rather seems that the opposite is true (which is why the whole comparison is so vile: no, having your mining ship explode in a game centred around ships exploding is not even remotely related in any way whatsoever to sexual assault).

I'm also not saying that you're comparing the two — I'm saying that you fall afoul of the same (lack of) logic that those who do.

Yes you can, because it was his bad move that made his destruction possible. He had a vast amount of input into the situation, and made a whole slew of very very bad decisions that led up to it. He is not a passive party in the interaction, no matter how much he wants to think of it as such.

Again: if you place your pawn all alone right in front of a rook, and then complain that the pawn is taken, you have really, deeply, misunderstood the game you've chosen to play (and if you then start bleating about it being the same mentality as burning real peasant villages, you'll be tossed out of the chess club for being deranged). You placed your pawn. It was a bad move. You lost it and it was the right thing for the opponent to do. Want to assign blame? Start by looking really close to home…

It's this lack of logic I'm talking about: people who try to act as if their input into the game environment doesn't even exist. They are playing a game where destruction is a key part. In fact, their activities are directly feeding that destruction. To not acknowledge this environment and your input into it, and adjusting your activities and choices to match that environment is to make a bad move, just like placing an undefended pawn in front of rook is a bad move. Blaming others for that bad move is far closer to the kind of mentality that you're complaining about than what the attacker was doing.

Whining. Trolling. Carrying valuables. Offering free killboard points. Just off the top of my head, those are four things that makes them excellent targets in this game, and you choose to ignore such factors at your own risk.

Again, your problem, and now you're just making silly assumptions. First, I'm not a miner. I haven't flooded anything with anything, and frankly, I don't take this game so seriously that I care enough about what stuff is worth. This isn't real money, and I'm far more concerned about my IRL financial situation.

Also, it's not YOUR game, it's everybody that has paid for an account's game. You want to do something about the marketplace? Fine, go ahead, initiative's a great thing, and I even fully support afk miner bumping - if you're afk, then you're not really playing, are you? Otherwise, everyone is entitled to actually play this game the way that they want to - including you! But if you're going for this miner-bumping-extortion racket, then don't be surprised if consequences are implemented for what IS essentially griefing behaviour.

The minerals are there to be mined, and that's what people are doing, and if you have a problem with that, and you are doing something about it, then that's fine - but why don't you go mine some yourself? Frankly, I'm quite surprised the tritanium in particular is still worth what it is. If the best solution you can come up with is "STOP THE MINERS!!! TEY ARE EBIL AND HAVING AN EFFECT ON THE MARKET", then you have bigger problems than mere miners playing a game the way they WANT to and the way they are ENTITLED to.