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Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC
#41 - 2012-11-01 10:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Gibbo5771
Mars Theran wrote:
You guys shouldn't knock PVE FCs so much. It takes a great deal of skill to do that as well, when it comes to Sleeper AI in particular. Remembering every spawn, which ships do what, and which to take down first in every potential site and class of wormhole is no small thing. Sleeper AI is also a lot less predictable than NPC AI atm; though that difference may not be so great in the near future.

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Are you fkin serious?

Tag, web, primary, repeat.

There is NOTHING hard about "FC'in" a pve fleet, NOTHING.

Also there is a massive difference when FC'in 10-50 people opposed to 500-800 people. Small gangs require skills and coordination, much large gangs just require a good scout and warp in while some guy shouts shoot that, then this, then this guy next, everyone align, warp we are dieing, regorup, retry, fail again. Dont even need tackle half the time since the primary instapops.
Dave Stark
#42 - 2012-11-01 10:29:43 UTC
i would try and explain what a good FC is, but i've never seen one.

when i was in the south of null fleets were "dock up and wait for the bad men to get bored and go away"
when i was in the west it was "jump clone to the south and see if they undock", which, of course they didn't so then you're stuck in hostile territory with **** all to do until your jump clone cooldown ends so generally i didn't even bother trying to join fleets.

i genuinely have no idea what people enjoy about fleet fights in null, there's absolutely nothing interesting about them.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-11-01 10:33:48 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
i would try and explain what a good FC is, but i've never seen one.

when i was in the south of null fleets were "dock up and wait for the bad men to get bored and go away"
when i was in the west it was "jump clone to the south and see if they undock", which, of course they didn't so then you're stuck in hostile territory with **** all to do until your jump clone cooldown ends so generally i didn't even bother trying to join fleets.

i genuinely have no idea what people enjoy about fleet fights in null, there's absolutely nothing interesting about them.


Try North, I hear there are good fights...

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Dave Stark
#44 - 2012-11-01 10:37:37 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
i would try and explain what a good FC is, but i've never seen one.

when i was in the south of null fleets were "dock up and wait for the bad men to get bored and go away"
when i was in the west it was "jump clone to the south and see if they undock", which, of course they didn't so then you're stuck in hostile territory with **** all to do until your jump clone cooldown ends so generally i didn't even bother trying to join fleets.

i genuinely have no idea what people enjoy about fleet fights in null, there's absolutely nothing interesting about them.


Try North, I hear there are good fights...


moving to null, buying new ships, having cloaky campers in the system all the time etc... i really doubt it's worth the effort.
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#45 - 2012-11-01 10:45:37 UTC
Deleted a post for personal attacks.

You can keep this thread clean and about discussing the difficulties and challenges of being an FC without resorting to name calling.

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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-11-01 10:46:51 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
i would try and explain what a good FC is, but i've never seen one.

when i was in the south of null fleets were "dock up and wait for the bad men to get bored and go away"
when i was in the west it was "jump clone to the south and see if they undock", which, of course they didn't so then you're stuck in hostile territory with **** all to do until your jump clone cooldown ends so generally i didn't even bother trying to join fleets.

i genuinely have no idea what people enjoy about fleet fights in null, there's absolutely nothing interesting about them.


Try North, I hear there are good fights...


moving to null, buying new ships, having cloaky campers in the system all the time etc... i really doubt it's worth the effort.


Just read the latest battle reports, dude. Blink

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Dave Stark
#47 - 2012-11-01 11:00:33 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
i would try and explain what a good FC is, but i've never seen one.

when i was in the south of null fleets were "dock up and wait for the bad men to get bored and go away"
when i was in the west it was "jump clone to the south and see if they undock", which, of course they didn't so then you're stuck in hostile territory with **** all to do until your jump clone cooldown ends so generally i didn't even bother trying to join fleets.

i genuinely have no idea what people enjoy about fleet fights in null, there's absolutely nothing interesting about them.


Try North, I hear there are good fights...


moving to null, buying new ships, having cloaky campers in the system all the time etc... i really doubt it's worth the effort.


Just read the latest battle reports, dude. Blink


so nc. and friend lost a lot of ships, and cfc re-enforced another tower.

sounds terribly dull and nobody really achieved anything there.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#48 - 2012-11-01 11:21:29 UTC
So Torvin, did you get bored of trolling with the communist thing, or what?
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#49 - 2012-11-01 11:22:25 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Look at all the people who have never been in a large 0.0 fleet, much less FCed one, talking crap about FCs.

"Why are army generals so special, they sit in an office and order people around all day, while the soldiers do all the dirty work."
After being in the army for many years I can say without a doubt that a great portion of officers are semi-********. This includes generals.


I would say that what people are talking about though is not actually fleet commanding. I'm am thinking they are talking about target calling, which is a skill that will make or break your fleet and some of the best FCs don't even do that. They have others call the targets.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#50 - 2012-11-01 12:16:21 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Just read the latest battle reports, dude. Blink

so nc. and friend lost a lot of ships, and cfc re-enforced another tower.

sounds terribly dull and nobody really achieved anything there.

It was pretty fun, and we're going to have some more fun with them before it's all over.

Always good to see that threatening a CSAA gets all the reds out to fight.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#51 - 2012-11-01 12:26:32 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:


nullsec FCs are mean arrogant crybabies who somehow got elevated to their jobs. i contend that if you can fc an incursion fcing some stupid drake blob is easy.


So do it. And when you get your fleet whelped, then you'll understand.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#52 - 2012-11-01 12:33:01 UTC
Gibbo5771 wrote:


Also there is a massive difference when FC'in 10-50 people opposed to 500-800 people.



Small gangs can rely on members to take the initiative a bit, FCs can ask gang members for opinions etc.

In a 256 man drake fleet you don't want your guys thinking for themselves, you want them to do what you tell them to.

For this reason I've always felt in bigger fights the onus is a lot more on the FC to perform well. In a small gang a poor FC can be made up for by really good pilots knowing what they need to do. In a big fleet scenario the rest of the fleet is pretty much an extension of the FC's own ship.

There's a lot more pressure on that FC then in a small gang imo.

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forestwho
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-11-01 12:37:39 UTC
Fcíng is herding sheeps. But problem is that the human sheeps can think and anticipate. This requires leadership and great social skills combined with calmness ect. The personal skill set is completely differant than fcíng incursions. Add entire game knowlage and risk that 1 mistake can whelp the entire fleet. So 0.0 fc's are special cupcakes. Being special and knowing your are gives you power whitch makes you arrogant.

Its not easy, completly differant and takes lots of hours and selfreflection to be concidered 'avargae to good"
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#54 - 2012-11-01 12:44:26 UTC
Well things go to yelling usually when it starts to crumble.. IE. something totally unexpected happens and people stop listening in all chaos that ensues. Some fc´s responce to this is more volume, ie. Yelling...

Personally i believe most people can learn how to be good FC. But only few actually has interest to pursue that path.

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
Dave Stark
#55 - 2012-11-01 12:51:00 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Just read the latest battle reports, dude. Blink

so nc. and friend lost a lot of ships, and cfc re-enforced another tower.

sounds terribly dull and nobody really achieved anything there.

It was pretty fun, and we're going to have some more fun with them before it's all over.

Always good to see that threatening a CSAA gets all the reds out to fight.


i think i have a jump clone in the area, i really should jump down and see what all the fuss is about i guess.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-11-01 13:18:57 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
"THE GREAT FCS" like Malaku


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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#57 - 2012-11-01 13:55:33 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Silk daShocka wrote:
Arduemont wrote:


People often say I am one of the calmest FCs they'll ever fly with, but sometimes you need to get a little bitchy with people, because sometimes one persons mistakes can kill the whole fleet.


Usually the FCs mistake.

Kind of hard to get bitchy with them though, ego and all.



If there's one thing that will get fleet members killed quicker than any FC error, it's when the fleet members start backbiting and backseat driving..


Backseat driving = telling the FC what he's doing wrong?

Sounds like an ego issue, i'm the driver not you!

Either way pretty much all the fleets I've been in people have followed orders rather well. My point was that with these FCs that think getting bitchy with people is a solution to the problems which they are presented with, are usually the same people that don't take criticism very well.


I bet it's a real treat having you as a passenger.

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Ginger Barbarella
#58 - 2012-11-01 13:58:37 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
people keep talking about "THE GREAT FCS" like Montolio, Malaku, and Shadew

why is being able to boss around people your alliance has enslaved so special? i do incursions and the incursion fcs get the job done without yelling at people.

nullsec FCs are mean arrogant crybabies who somehow got elevated to their jobs. i contend that if you can fc an incursion fcing some stupid drake blob is easy.


Until you've flown with a truly good FC you'll never know how remarkably bad most are. Best FCs I've ever flown under were in Minnie FW, and the worst I've ever flown with (with one exception) were in Minnie FW. P

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella
#59 - 2012-11-01 13:59:58 UTC
Gibbo5771 wrote:
Are you fkin serious?

Tag, web, primary, repeat.

There is NOTHING hard about "FC'in" a pve fleet, NOTHING.

Also there is a massive difference when FC'in 10-50 people opposed to 500-800 people. Small gangs require skills and coordination, much large gangs just require a good scout and warp in while some guy shouts shoot that, then this, then this guy next, everyone align, warp we are dieing, regorup, retry, fail again. Dont even need tackle half the time since the primary instapops.


This.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-11-01 14:06:53 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
people keep talking about "THE GREAT FCS" like Montolio, Malaku, and Shadew

why is being able to boss around people your alliance has enslaved so special? i do incursions and the incursion fcs get the job done without yelling at people.

nullsec FCs are mean arrogant crybabies who somehow got elevated to their jobs. i contend that if you can fc an incursion fcing some stupid drake blob is easy.


Stupid troll is stupid.

Because of falcon obviously

( in the sad event that your serious. because PVE is easy and predictable, pvp isnt. )

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