EVE General Discussion

A cov ops with a cyno,a single dread, a fuel waggon and our spy network. Jump freighters and caps would literally light up like stars across the entire galaxy.

Any chance of the forum software getting the function of telling whomever got their posts deleted or edited any time soon, or must we go through all our posts on a regular basis and compare them with our own copy just to make sure we're actually seeing when we've been moderated?

This!


People rat in low sec because the risk/reward, with the presence of local, is acceptable. I'm the only one in local, I can go shoot some belt rats. If anyone comes in, I dock up or start bouncing safe's.

Someone out hunting comes in, sees me safe up... gets all angry about local. Oh, if only there was no local, he could have killed me easily.

Wrong. No local, I wouldn't have been ratting there in the first place. The risk/reward would have prohibited the activity.

You can't force me to be an easy target. If you try, I'll do other things. Take away all of the "other things" and I'll just quit playing the game.

Local working in WH has more to do with no cynos and mass allowances than easy access. I've had fairly easy access to targets while living in a WH simply by having a new static open up.

I personally believe local should be be at least altered if not removed entirely. It's way too strong of an intel tool, that takes 0 effort to acquire said intel.

Now if local were ever removed entirely, I also think that the rewards in low and null should be increased by a great deal, since there will actually be risk there. Removing local would also have the effect of makng hi-sec wardecs somewhat interesting. From my experience with war decs people tend to just dock up when there's enemies in local and they aren't looking to pvp, or if they're outnumbered. Undocking during a war dec would also push people to gather they're own intel, such as having a corp mate scout for you.

Does it really? last time I checked a quarterly report, it was something under 5% of the EVE population that lives in wormholes (2% if I recall).

I think lack of local is a HUGE part of why there are so few people there. This is a hint of what would happen to low/null if they removed local from there.

Negatives: no local, absolute **** logistics
Positives: spews isk

And yet, the "spews ISK" is not getting more than an itsy/bitsy number of people moving in.


I'd add the respawn rate of sites to the negatives. Everywhere else, there is always something to do. Get too many people in a WH, too active, and you can pretty easily run out of stuff to do.

Ah you see, Zim speaks of the loss of local as a defense tool. You speak of it from an aggressor perspective.

A defender uses it to know if someone else is in the system.
An offender uses it to know if someone else is in the system.


No Local:

A defender does not know if someone has entered the system. They must take precautions.
An offender does not know if someone is in the system they entered. They must hunt.

In the numerous threads I have seen on this, the conclusions are always:
1. That both sides of the offense defense interaction are affected equally with added challenge.
2. The directional scanner mechanic would need improvement lest there be a massive revolt.


If we could have no local and let ships dial in system to system warp "Star Trek style", then everything the Uber Leet PVPer says this game should be, would be.

Make all resources finite in addition to that and the epeenery would be truly deserved.

Until then, it's WOW in space, only with people who think it's not, acting like it's not for their play style, complaining that it's becoming that way. Very unimpressive and misguided.

No offense to you, but here, let me fix your post:


People rat in HIGH sec because the risk/reward, with the presence of CONCORD, is acceptable. I'm in HIGH SEC, I can go shoot some belt rats. If anyone comes in, I am safe.

Someone out hunting comes in, sees he is in HIGH SEC... gets all angry about HIGH SEC. Oh, if only there was no CONCORD, he could have killed me easily.

Wrong. No CONCORD, I wouldn't have been ratting there in the first place. The risk/reward would have prohibited the activity.

You can't force me to be an easy target. If you try, I'll do other things. Take away all of the "other things" and I'll just quit playing the game.




This is how people in 0.0 who clamor for local to remain look to people in high sec who don't want to become slaves/renter/gate camp victims in low and null.

Also consider that the intel of local comprises the "great wall of carebear" that keeps people in high sec.

But people claiming one thing while arguing another while secretly hiding their real agenda is nothing new. 0.0 is deserted. They want it that way, but will scream that it WILL BECOME deserted if local is removed. I'm not falling for it.

i.e. have one alt per gate and wormhole entrance, to catch people coming into the system, and tons of alts spread across the entire system to get a full coverage of the system in case someone logs in, and still be incapable of seeing covops cloak ships. Stop doing this at the wrong time, and boom goes your ship. vOv


Jump in, scan for anoms, warp from anom to anom while cloaked.

Yep. Definitely not slanted against the defender at all, this.