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Looking for hisec all in one tengu explorer fit

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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#1 - 2012-10-31 08:24:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Hazen Koraka
Hi all,

I searched the forums couldn't find exactly what I was after.

What I'm looking for is an all round tengu explorer for running mostly all hisec sites. I currently have

[Highs]
5 HM II launchers
Salvager I
Expanded Sisters probe launcher

[Lows]
3x BCU II

[Mids]
Pithi C-Type Medium Shield Booster
CodeBreaker I
2x Active Resists for appropriate space
1xLSE II
10Mn AB II

[Rigs]
2xMedium Core Deffense Field Extender
1xMedium Rigor

[Subsys]
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

However, with standard scourge ammo, I get a measly 350 or so dps. I could switch to T2 ammo, but I think that only bumps it up to around 430 dps (I can't remember the exact values).

My skills are offense at subsys 5, all others currently at 4 (training to 5 for defense).

I realise my dps will be a lot lower in an all round explorer fit, due to fitting 5 vs 6 launchers.

Is there any way I can up the dps, because it's not so spectacular as I was expecting the tengu to be.

I tried mucking about flipping subsystems but I could not find a combination that gave 6 launchers, and a high for the probe launcher, that I could squeeze in due to power grid issues. I have AWE to 3 currently, but for this fit I'm still missing around 60 pg.

Any suggestions?

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-10-31 10:03:21 UTC
You're overtanked for highsec space and don't have a propulsion mod, so you might want to give thought to fitting AB/MWD, a target painter and rigor/flare rigs as your slot layout permits. Without that extra speed you'll take a long time to complete some sites, lose most sites others interrupt and the extra speed will help your tank too. You'll be mostly facing frigates, cruisers and battlecruisers anyway, so your practical damage application could use the boost a target painter and the rigs provide and you need that extra boost to get the maximum out of your theoretical DPS.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-10-31 12:12:36 UTC
the salvager is not really worth it. i recall faintly that some overseers have good salvage but magneto sites are **** and you should skip them.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#4 - 2012-10-31 13:08:50 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
You're overtanked for highsec space and don't have a propulsion mod, so you might want to give thought to fitting AB/MWD, a target painter and rigor/flare rigs as your slot layout permits. Without that extra speed you'll take a long time to complete some sites, lose most sites others interrupt and the extra speed will help your tank too. You'll be mostly facing frigates, cruisers and battlecruisers anyway, so your practical damage application could use the boost a target painter and the rigs provide and you need that extra boost to get the maximum out of your theoretical DPS.


Oops yes I have a 10 Mn AB II fitted, forgot that from the fit. I've heard quoted figures of over 600 dps from a Tengu - are those base ones as shown on the fiting screen, and not using a TP?

I'll edit my original post now to include the AB.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#5 - 2012-10-31 13:10:56 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
the salvager is not really worth it. i recall faintly that some overseers have good salvage but magneto sites are **** and you should skip them.


Overseers drop Tech II salvage - e.g. the 4/10 Guristas Scout outpost - the first overseer cruiser drops sometimes up to 3 blue salvages (>10M isk right there or more).

I do skip magsites because I don't have a free slot for an analyzer.

What would you suggest in the high in place of the salvager?

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-10-31 16:53:57 UTC
Quote:
Oops yes I have a 10 Mn AB II fitted, forgot that from the fit. I've heard quoted figures of over 600 dps from a Tengu - are those base ones as shown on the fiting screen, and not using a TP?

I'll edit my original post now to include the AB.


With heavy missiles that figure sounds like what your theoretical DPS potential would be, if you'd be using scourge wrath missiles agaisnt optimal targets. You're not going to be doing that much actual damage to targets in highsec. The targets are simply too small for you to apply your full damage. It's not much of an actual issue, since you can kill everything so fast anyway. It's just something to keep in mind if you're trying to find ways to improve your efficiency.

I was suggesting a TP and the rigs merely because it will help you kill some of the targets faster and you could easily lighten your tank to do it. That extra buffer will do you no good against the NPCs and might even be a detriment, since it makes you easier to hit and therefore increase the amount of damage you have to repair overall. It's a minor issue at best though, so if the extra buffer makes you feel more comfortable, go ahead and use it. At least it will make you a bit harder to suicide gank, so it's not all bad.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-10-31 16:58:07 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
the salvager is not really worth it. i recall faintly that some overseers have good salvage but magneto sites are **** and you should skip them.


Overseers drop Tech II salvage - e.g. the 4/10 Guristas Scout outpost - the first overseer cruiser drops sometimes up to 3 blue salvages (>10M isk right there or more).

I do skip magsites because I don't have a free slot for an analyzer.

What would you suggest in the high in place of the salvager?

a missile launcher?

I should buy an Ishtar.

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#8 - 2012-11-01 08:12:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Hazen Koraka
Did you actually read the post? I said I was having powergrid issues fitting the 6th launcher.

Could you please post a suggested fit that includes a 6th launcher?

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#9 - 2012-11-01 08:21:12 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Quote:
Oops yes I have a 10 Mn AB II fitted, forgot that from the fit. I've heard quoted figures of over 600 dps from a Tengu - are those base ones as shown on the fiting screen, and not using a TP?

I'll edit my original post now to include the AB.


With heavy missiles that figure sounds like what your theoretical DPS potential would be, if you'd be using scourge wrath missiles agaisnt optimal targets. You're not going to be doing that much actual damage to targets in highsec. The targets are simply too small for you to apply your full damage. It's not much of an actual issue, since you can kill everything so fast anyway. It's just something to keep in mind if you're trying to find ways to improve your efficiency.

I was suggesting a TP and the rigs merely because it will help you kill some of the targets faster and you could easily lighten your tank to do it. That extra buffer will do you no good against the NPCs and might even be a detriment, since it makes you easier to hit and therefore increase the amount of damage you have to repair overall. It's a minor issue at best though, so if the extra buffer makes you feel more comfortable, go ahead and use it. At least it will make you a bit harder to suicide gank, so it's not all bad.


I do feel uncomfortable without the extra buffer, especially as I'm not using any EM resists generally (mostly caldari space) - the ehp is really low for this fit.

I was wondering how you get those quoted 100k ehp 600 dps tengus - is this only officer pimped ones?

Mine has ehp like 20k or something - much much smaller than I was expecting for a tengu, but I'm a real noobie fitting these ships, as I've only recenly qualified to fly them (still working on all subsys to 5).

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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#10 - 2012-11-01 11:00:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ACE McFACE
I made this in pyfa in about 5 minutes so:
[Tengu, High sec exploration]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Thermic Dissipation Field
Caldari Navy Kinetic Deflection Field
10MN Afterburner II
Codebreaker I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Salvager I

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding

The EHP may be low so you may be at a slight risk from gankers but you should be fine if you keep your wits about you when you fly and DONT AUTOPILOT.

This fit gets 448.3hp/s tank, against Guristas which is the main thing you wil be facing seeing as you live in Caldari space and will see you through all high sec exploration sites.
562 DPS, the target painter and rigor rigs are for the frigates. I got that figure from Fury ammo so you might want to change to faction ammo or t1 ammo if there are frigates everywhere.
Cap stable unless you decide to run the codebreaker and salvager at the same time. (Faction hardeners are needed for cap stability, but they don't cost too much anyway, I think Guristas hardeners may be a bit cheaper)

Plus this fit is well within the given fitting resource limit with skills are level 5 and with your skills I guarantee you can fit it.

Its also pretty 'cheap' for a Tengu and you can add faction BCUs for taste.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#11 - 2012-11-01 13:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Hazen Koraka
I've not tried using this pyfa tool yet, it sounds interesting and I will check it out. Thanks for your suggestions, this is exactly the kind of information I was looking for!

I'm hard to please - it would be perfect, if it could only have a probe launcher too! :D

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-11-01 14:49:15 UTC
Quote:

[Tengu, highsec explo]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Kinetic Deflection Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Codebreaker II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


568 dps with faction, 495 dps with non-faction.
Fury is hardly worth it, highsec sites have mostly cruiser/frig rats.
Tanks 314 dps against Guristas, 265 against Serpentis, which is more than enough.

Salvager is simply not worth fitting, especially when you gain 20% more dps with the 6th launcher. Exploration is all about speed and being faster, salvager just slows you down for little gain.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-11-01 14:52:41 UTC
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:
Quote:

[Tengu, highsec explo]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Kinetic Deflection Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Codebreaker II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


568 dps with faction, 495 dps with non-faction.
Fury is hardly worth it, highsec sites have mostly cruiser/frig rats.
Tanks 314 dps against Guristas, 265 against Serpentis, which is more than enough.

Salvager is simply not worth fitting, especially when you gain 20% more dps with the 6th launcher. Exploration is all about speed and being faster, salvager just slows you down for little gain.


this.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Cap James Tkirk
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#14 - 2012-11-01 15:01:05 UTC
tengu for hs exploration, what a waste get a faction/t2 cruiser or a battle cruiser it will give you the tank and dps you need to do these sites
since your in a tengu i would suggest the drake
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#15 - 2012-11-01 22:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Hazen Koraka
Yea I've installed pyfa which is a massive help - I don't know why I've not used this tool before, its great!

I can see now it's not possible to have 6 launcher, probe launcher and a salvager, and yes, the salvager looks to be pointless, when the extra launcher gives more dps.

Edit: Note - I'm having powergrid issues fitting the above fit, the extra launcher puts me at 106% powergrid, with AWE level 3.
Even with AWE level 5 I'm still needed a 2% pg implant, so instead of the 3 rigs I'll have to use 2 plus an ancillary current router.

And go back to a Drake oO what are you on!

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#16 - 2012-11-02 03:00:16 UTC
Oh yeah I forgot about the probe launcher and its probably better than a salvager anyway.

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