EVE General Discussion

Let's say for a moment that CCP was to do as the OP suggests, and try to force the carebears out of high sec. Then, all those players that have no interest in PVP simply quit playing the game.

How does that improve the gameplay for the player that wants to PVP?

CCP does not have the ability to force players with no interest in PVP to play a game where they will get blown up. All changes like the OP suggests coupld possibly do is drive those players out of the game. Then less revenue and less developers dedicated to improving lag and the PVP experience.

Liang mentioned in a MD thread a while back about trying to stock a station in a LowSec system to supply the FW crowds that ran out of there. Stocked a few billion worth of goods I think it was. The FW folks still went over to the main'ish hub a few jumps away and bought. One of the regions I've lived in for a few yrs now has certain systems/stations that stuff sells out of. And people ( mission runners ) won't buy ammo and other goods from certain stations. And I know which systems you can run missions out of. I seeded about a dozen stations and watched where stuff sold out of. Even with the ammo they would need in the station the agent is in, people still go to the 'hub' systems.

It's hard to change peoples habits and preferences. I've been dabbling in one of those regions I mentioned since '09. I've watched folks price goods cheaper in an 'Off' station and yet mine still sell for a bit higher in 'The' station. If people aren't buying out of your Null stations to begin with, I doubt any amount of higher taxes/fees/nerfs to HS is going to change their buying habits.

While true it may require quite a bit of time and willingness on both the part of buyers and producers I think we can agree that doing nothing won't reverse the situation.

I know exaclty what you're saying Antsett, I call it the Woolworths Effect

Woolworths is an Aussie supermarket chain selling mass product at lower prices - we also have corner stores selling same at higher prices for convenience. Two distinct niche type retail models.

You want people to be charged way above cost price at the supermarket so your corner store can gouge the customers for better margin.

What you desire is state sponsored protectionism.

And we're the communists?

yeah without local finding ratters to shoot will be so hard, you know, since there isn't a way to see the number of NPCs killed in a given system simply by opening the map, and it's so hard to set a destination and take gates somewhere, and it's so hard to warp around through havens and hubs until you find a ratter, motorboat while cloaked until you're under his optimal, decloak, instalock, point, light a cyno and kill him

oh man that'll be so hard

well it will be hard to find targets since there won't be any, but yeah

Look I can understand some of you nullsec guys don't like the idea of no local because you won't have an instant intel tool. Even you lowsec guys won't see that local spike coming to bust up your camp so you can dock in your orca and hide in high sec.

So here's some advice for you guys.

1. Don't undock in anything you can't afford to lose.
2. Always stay aligned.
3. Learn to fit for PVP. Use your lows and mids for actual tank, warp stabs, and such other related modules instead of just fitting for maximum gank.
4. Get a scout alt to monitor adjacent systems.
5. Mash the D-Scan until your finger falls off.



These methods work in highsec. I know this because this is something like the same list I have seen handed from null and lowsec uber leet superhuman PVPers to people in highsec. So it MUST be good, right?


Oh and if you don't like your own medicine: >>>>>> WOW >>>>>>>

actually i'd just throw your advice out the window and advise dudes to train hisec PvE alts

Or I can just train a hisec L4/mining/manufacturing/PI guy and watch movies while making isk. I think that actually works out better, since it means I can make just as much, with less effort and less risk. vOv

Damage against what? Everything that could be flown, which wasn't used in fleet fights, would've hopped on back to hisec the instant local disappeared.

I'm apparently a highseccer and I absolutely refute even the remotest idea of removing local. Not only will it make a "highseccers' move/ stay in null even harder, it will promote nullseccers moving to high (and we do not need more of that).

No local on a geographical scale like 0.0 would be devastating. Perhaps the ones asking should try null for at least 3 months then revisit the topic from a learned eye.