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Miners - Why such hatred?
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#61 - 2012-10-31 02:06:09 UTC
Ranzabar wrote:
I don't always mine, but when I do, I listen to Royksopp

I am the storm and I am the wonder
And the flashlights, nightmares
And sudden explosions
Tesal
#62 - 2012-10-31 02:28:33 UTC
Haterz gonnah hate.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#63 - 2012-10-31 09:18:51 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Good to see an CFC poster using their brains. Refreshing. Blink

I take offense to the implication that I am a CFC poster.

Touval Lysander wrote:
Quietly deposited within that analogy is why the high school gang isn't beating up the kids in the sandpit at the high school? Perhaps if the highschool had "a better sandpit" then the gang have no need for the one where the little tackers are.

So much of the angst and supposed "Eve is dying" is built around an idealogy that may/may not have the relevance it once had.

Can there in fact be 2 sandpits? (someone even posted using the term "2 tier system" in another thread). Do we need to start considering that as a possibility - stepping back from the beliigerent IT MUST BE doctrine we get so used to hearing.

To extend this exhausted metaphor even further, we have to remember that when the kids (all of the them) paid to get into the school, they knew that they were completely legitimate targets for anyone to attack. They also knew that their sandcastles might be knocked down and their buckets and spades stolen.

As for why the older kids might come to the little kids sandbox, there's several reasons. The little sandbox is smaller, so it's easier to quickly locate people. The little kids have better equipment, and are less capable of defending it. The little kids are funny when they complain to the police. There's more people (thus available targets) in the littler sandbox, so it's easier to purchase buckets and spades there. They feel that the little kids are morally wrong in getting robots to build their sandcastles for them, therefore lessening the achievement of anyone else's sandcastle.
Nanatoa
#64 - 2012-10-31 09:21:22 UTC
Death to sandcastle-building robots!

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#65 - 2012-10-31 10:18:31 UTC
Don't confuse the forum posters with the people who actually play the game. The vitriol and culture of trolling here doesn't extend to most there.
Therestina Kihara
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-10-31 12:21:02 UTC
Honestly the only reason i can see with gankers targeting miners is because they can't pvp to save their own skin in lowsec, and want cheap, easy to get and zero resistance opponents for killboard padding, and the tears of not only miners but rookies, mission runners and epic arc runners.

Same thing applies to cheap-arsed risk-averse pirates smartbombing at warp to 0 points at lowsec gates that end up killing frigates that actually fly their ships instead of autopiloting (if you autopilot in lowsec you deserve to get popped, that's how it should freaking work, not the other way around). Can't really blame her though, her fit is worth 2 billion ISK and with large gravitom smartbomb IIs in an armageddon.. but if she has been playing for eight years (YES EIGHT YEARS) she should be roaming and fighting some real PVP, not trying to get cheapo kills from players in mere frigates and maybe cruisers..


That aside, go tank your mining barges and let the gankers suffer at the hands of CONCORD, and laugh as they pop while you stay up and running - and to add insult to injury as well as rub salt into their wounds, loot their wrecks and salvage as well - extra income for any miner with little effort.
Arastiel
Tax Cheaters
#67 - 2012-10-31 12:51:06 UTC
I think entire hate stems from belief that miners are extremely rich, fact that is not nearly as true as most believe; other then that, it is likely case of simple bullying of people who cannot defend - one of widespread and ugly faces of EVE
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#68 - 2012-10-31 22:59:18 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
There once was sandpit.

Heaps of children played, grade 3's to grade 7. Ocassionally fights broke out over buckets and spades but it was not much to worry about. Sometimes the grade 7's would get silly and push over sandcastles and break the buckets but it was all good fun.

:words:

They are asking why they have to be beaten just to play in the sandpit. It's called whining. Or so the high school gang says anyway.

..oo00oo..

That's an interesting analogy. However, the problem with it is that EVE isn't actually a literal sandbox. You're not supposed to just build stuff. Knocking castles down and smashing the other players is a part of the game, and that's why people complain when the 'police' prevent it from happening.


Griefing and Ganking weren't designed into EvE any more than nasty words were designed into pencils. EvE is an open canvas, and that does not absolve you of being a ****, anymore than a pencil absolves you for writing a nasty letter.
Spy 21
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-10-31 23:41:48 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Learn this well, play your game and ignore everything else. Their hatred is meaningless. Big smile


This.
No reason whatever to hate on someone who chooses one of the legitimate choices of careers offered up by CCP to enjoy in their game.

****

The flip side is for miners to quit bitching on the forums about getting ganked.. the pirate ganking miners is just looking to make a buck also.

In fact, everyone stop whining right now!

S

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#70 - 2012-10-31 23:50:40 UTC
People come to the forums to hate on miners, pointing out how risk averse they are.

Then they log on, join up with 8 other people, camp a gate, destroy a freighter, and then pat each other on the ass for the awesome PvP.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#71 - 2012-11-01 01:33:46 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
People come to the forums to hate on miners, pointing out how risk averse they are.

Then they log on, join up with 8 other people, camp a gate, destroy a freighter, and then pat each other on the ass for the awesome PvP.


This... pretty much. Blink

Seriously though... ignore the hate. Mining is a viable profession just like any other in EVE... it just is not as flashy as others.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#72 - 2012-11-01 02:00:27 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
People come to the forums to hate on miners, pointing out how risk averse they are.

Then they log on, join up with 8 other people, camp a gate, destroy a freighter, and then pat each other on the ass for the awesome PvP.


Actually they pat each other on the ass because they're often the best of part of a couple of billion isk richer, not to mention that they had some fun watching something explode.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Jhan Niber
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-11-01 04:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhan Niber
I don't have a problem with people that like to mine instead of PvP. What bothers most people about miners is when they whine and complain that there was an unexpected conflict, ganking or otherwise. it's the same with combat pilots. The ones that whine aren't liked.
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-11-01 04:48:11 UTC
Seriously, everyone here see my thread. The idea is to build a new sandpit.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-11-01 05:31:36 UTC
Miners?? Miners, what are you doing??? Why are you mining, miners?? Stahp!!

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-11-01 06:07:22 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
People come to the forums to hate on miners, pointing out how risk averse they are.

Then they log on, join up with 8 other people, camp a gate, destroy a freighter, and then pat each other on the ass for the awesome PvP.


And none of the people against whom the haters rail read the forums. That and boredom is a powerful motivator for people to go find someone to screw with. But at this point the hate in the forums is mostly to bait people into responding. Some do it for the Yuks, some do it because they're poised at their locator agent to find miners who doth protest too much, legitimately, to their tactics so they can find them and have fun there.

If they haven't been, I'd be slightly shocked.

Bluntly though, if I caught a freighter carrying a hundred billion in goods at a hisec gate i'd be thoroughly tempted to put a squad together for the sole purpose of shanking him for his lunch money. Killing a freighter in highsec actually takes a bit of effort. and then you have to find a way to recover all the loot quickly. then you have to split it with whomever you were ganking alongside.

Probably wouldn't though. I'd rather dive into PvP by killing someone's battleship. or battlecruiser. or whatever. Combat Pilots are harder, and you don't really learn PvP by shooting down mammoths, now do you?

If I see a titan I'm shooting at it just because. I've always wanted to shoot at a titan.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#77 - 2012-11-01 06:20:22 UTC
It would help if the bears didnt demand CCP nerf every risk they might face while not lifting a finger to protect themselves.
isk4trade
Cogitation Mining and Industrial Trading
#78 - 2012-11-01 06:21:50 UTC
Miners are killed simply because they CAN be without much in the way of consequences. The hatred is , imo, just a way to try to justify destroying gunless ships.

We will see what happens when the new and improved Crimewatch comes out.

.
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INTRODUCING THE NEW AND IMPROVED CRIMEWATCH
reported by CCP Masterplan | 2012.10.04
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443
OMFG !!! LOL !!!
.

It is hellish complicated but I am sure the bottom feeders that just shoot at miners because they are veritably defenseless shall find a new world of Vigilante Justice AND find out what it is like to be a step lower on the food chain themselves.

http://tinyurl.com/Eve-Is-Like-This ... Big Fish Eat Little Fish!

me
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-11-01 06:27:55 UTC
isk4trade wrote:
Miners are killed simply because they CAN be without much in the way of consequences. The hatred is , imo, just a way to try to justify destroying gunless ships.

We will see what happens when the new and improved Crimewatch comes out.

.
.
INTRODUCING THE NEW AND IMPROVED CRIMEWATCH
reported by CCP Masterplan | 2012.10.04
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443
OMFG !!! LOL !!!
.

It is hellish complicated but I am sure the bottom feeders that just shoot at miners because they are veritably defenseless shall find a new world of Vigilante Justice AND find out what it is like to be a step lower on the food chain themselves.

http://tinyurl.com/Eve-Is-Like-This ... Big Fish Eat Little Fish!

me



yeah this is all great.

You do realize that the pirates can put a bounty on the miners to encourage new players to learn to mine Hulks with HAMs?

Maybe most won't... But I foresee some people doing this just for the screaming that will ensue.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#80 - 2012-11-01 06:32:37 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Kaylyis wrote:
isk4trade wrote:
Miners are killed simply because they CAN be without much in the way of consequences. The hatred is , imo, just a way to try to justify destroying gunless ships.

We will see what happens when the new and improved Crimewatch comes out.

.
.
INTRODUCING THE NEW AND IMPROVED CRIMEWATCH
reported by CCP Masterplan | 2012.10.04
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443
OMFG !!! LOL !!!
.

It is hellish complicated but I am sure the bottom feeders that just shoot at miners because they are veritably defenseless shall find a new world of Vigilante Justice AND find out what it is like to be a step lower on the food chain themselves.

http://tinyurl.com/Eve-Is-Like-This ... Big Fish Eat Little Fish!

me



yeah this is all great.

You do realize that the pirates can put a bounty on the miners to encourage new players to learn to mine Hulks with HAMs?

Maybe most won't... But I foresee some people doing this just for the screaming that will ensue.

Cant stop here, this is Bat Country.