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Carebear Entitlement: The Decadence of the Modern Era

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#61 - 2012-10-31 16:46:28 UTC
Besoina wrote:
abloobloo

Yet another faceless alt with their finger on the pulse of null life.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#62 - 2012-10-31 16:53:06 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
If the last 9 years have taught hisec carebears anything, it's that they're primarily entitled to ganks and nerfs. This recent trend of pretending they've had it easy is ridiculous. No group has been maligned and abused more.

Try and suggest a small nerf to nullbear safety and you'll soon find out who the real entitled people are. P


To be fair the mining barge buffs, failwatch 2.0, etc DO massively benefit carebears, pretending they don't is dishonest.

I'll agree that suggestions of nerfing nullbears (or even suggesting keeping the status quo) is met with a lot of whine and tears. How many "baw cloakers in my botting system baw" threads have nullbears made recently, after all?
Ginger Barbarella
#63 - 2012-11-01 00:57:20 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Ah, the classic empty 'carebear unsub' threat.


It's ok guys, I'm sure there's at least one carebear out there who actually has 50 accounts to unsubBig smile


If there is, you've already lost. Period. Cool

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#64 - 2012-11-01 01:04:29 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
If the last 9 years have taught hisec carebears anything, it's that they're primarily entitled to ganks and nerfs. This recent trend of pretending they've had it easy is ridiculous. No group has been maligned and abused more.

Try and suggest a small nerf to nullbear safety and you'll soon find out who the real entitled people are. P


To be fair the mining barge buffs, failwatch 2.0, etc DO massively benefit carebears, pretending they don't is dishonest.

I'll agree that suggestions of nerfing nullbears (or even suggesting keeping the status quo) is met with a lot of whine and tears. How many "baw cloakers in my botting system baw" threads have nullbears made recently, after all?

That's a great question. Why don't you count them.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#65 - 2012-11-01 01:14:36 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
To be fair the mining barge buffs, failwatch 2.0, etc DO massively benefit carebears, pretending they don't is dishonest.


There's some upcoming changes that should be significant. I'm curious to see how the new dynamics play out.

I'm just objecting to the idea people in hisec have been pampered in some way throughout history. Everything it does have is always being chipped away at with nerfs, at the demand of wild eyed people from 0.0.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#66 - 2012-11-01 01:19:07 UTC
Valid points... completely devalidated by the very first sentence of the post.

...maybe CCP would listen more to the "serious" players if they wouldn't be so pathetically "superior"?

Just a thought...

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#67 - 2012-11-01 01:20:12 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
To be fair the mining barge buffs, failwatch 2.0, etc DO massively benefit carebears, pretending they don't is dishonest.


There's some upcoming changes that should be significant. I'm curious to see how the new dynamics play out.

I'm just objecting to the idea people in hisec have been pampered in some way throughout history. Everything it does have is always being chipped away at with nerfs, at the demand of wild eyed people from 0.0.

Concord totally benefited the ganking community, so did the wardec changes, so did the insurance nerf, right?
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#68 - 2012-11-01 01:21:56 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
To be fair the mining barge buffs, failwatch 2.0, etc DO massively benefit carebears, pretending they don't is dishonest.


There's some upcoming changes that should be significant. I'm curious to see how the new dynamics play out.

I'm just objecting to the idea people in hisec have been pampered in some way throughout history. Everything it does have is always being chipped away at with nerfs, at the demand of wild eyed people from 0.0.


Blame it on 9 years of NBSI. It's hard for them to see outside their self made xenophobic bubble.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#69 - 2012-11-01 01:28:51 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
To be fair the mining barge buffs, failwatch 2.0, etc DO massively benefit carebears, pretending they don't is dishonest.


There's some upcoming changes that should be significant. I'm curious to see how the new dynamics play out.

I'm just objecting to the idea people in hisec have been pampered in some way throughout history. Everything it does have is always being chipped away at with nerfs, at the demand of wild eyed people from 0.0.

Concord totally benefited the ganking community, so did the wardec changes, so did the insurance nerf, right?

Yes. Good, you finally see how it is.

We need some real nerfs to ganking, that've been given too much.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#70 - 2012-11-01 01:40:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
[tinfoil]Given the amount of people that are alts of James315, Mittens or CCP Soundwave, Eve is played by 3 or 4 individuals and one of them is a CCP employee.[tinfoil]

There is a reason so many "nullbears P" have hisec alts, it's too damn easy to make silly amounts of isk in hisec, even though I'm reviled by null & lo players as a hisec carebear and by my fellow hisec carebears because I bump them I can see this.

Nerfing hisec into the ground isn't going to fix anything, buffing losec and nullsec so that it's actually worthwhile doing your isk grinding there, would not only fix the risk/isk ratio it would mean that the true amount of hisec players would be revealed once all the losec and nullsec players move their alts back to "the homeland" because it is worth doing so.

and as a quick counterpoint to an earlier post

FACT: Miners can gank bumpers, all it takes is a gank destroyer or two.
FACT: They won't because either a: they're not actually at the keyboard, b: omg my sec status/ship/isk per hr, or c: it requires effort and possibly some coordination.

btw congrats Suddenly Forum Kings, first post you've ever made that I agree with Lol

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#71 - 2012-11-01 02:18:51 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
[tinfoil]Given the amount of people that are alts of James315, Mittens or CCP Soundwave, Eve is played by 3 or 4 individuals and one of them is a CCP employee.[tinfoil]

There is a reason so many "nullbears P" have hisec alts, it's too damn easy to make silly amounts of isk in hisec, even though I'm reviled by null & lo players as a hisec carebear and by my fellow hisec carebears because I bump them I can see this.

Nerfing hisec into the ground isn't going to fix anything, buffing losec and nullsec so that it's actually worthwhile doing your isk grinding there, would not only fix the risk/isk ratio it would mean that the true amount of hisec players would be revealed once all the losec and nullsec players move their alts back to "the homeland" because it is worth doing so.

and as a quick counterpoint to an earlier post

FACT: Miners can gank bumpers, all it takes is a gank destroyer or two.
FACT: They won't because either a: they're not actually at the keyboard, b: omg my sec status/ship/isk per hr, or c: it requires effort and possibly some coordination.

btw congrats Suddenly Forum Kings, first post you've ever made that I agree with Lol


Or possibly miners don't gank bumpers because then the bumper gets kill rights and can go and get his Battleship and shoot the miner out of space without getting concorded.... Net loss, Miner.
There is no way a miner can win against a bumper, I've said this in other threads and I've said it here now. All a miner can do is take some bumps, and move around a bit. It's not a 'fight against bots' or anything like that. It's picking on the little kid in the playground. It's not glorious, it's not 'all about PvP' or anything like that. It's bullying.
That said, Miners, HTFU. Don't give in, don't pay the bully your lunch money, he'll be back later if you do. And just deal with getting bumped. It's a game, someone is always going to try picking on you, and the best way to stop it is to not be any fun for them to pick on. Not to cry about it.
Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-11-01 03:01:23 UTC
i am yulus hear me gee dee

i am a miner and an incursion runner. i slave away inthe ice belts so that the egoists gewns and AAA can have pos fuel for their evil axis.

i am sick of it. i will be helping to oargnize a resistance fleet that won't discriminate and will be casual friendly!

our FC won't yell at us and won't tell us what he have to fly unlike the gewns

quake in fear goons!

im a pubby and im proud
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-11-01 03:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
James 315 wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
You made me laugh, if I did not think you were an alt of James I might have given you a thumbs up.

I was just about to say, OP, welcome to the pantheon of "accused of being my alt"! Smile


Tell me... does it get browner if you kiss your own arse?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-11-01 03:16:46 UTC
Besoina wrote:

Very rarely do you find corporations/alliances that really appreciate what you do, or work together with you, spread the profit & entice participation. When you’re up in high sec earning isk you’re serving your own self-interests & fattening your wallet. They hate that. They dismiss it & naturally they want you to go away or better yet, convince the masses that high sec players should be griefed & hated upon. I coldn't imagine a more pathetic tool then a high sec griefer.


This.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-11-01 03:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Some Rando
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Or possibly miners don't gank bumpers because then the bumper gets kill rights and can go and get his Battleship and shoot the miner out of space without getting concorded.... Net loss, Miner.

So wait... Miners can't create gank alts for some reason?

Nevyn Auscent wrote:
There is no way a miner can win against a bumper, I've said this in other threads and I've said it here now. All a miner can do is take some bumps, and move around a bit. It's not a 'fight against bots' or anything like that. It's picking on the little kid in the playground. It's not glorious, it's not 'all about PvP' or anything like that. It's bullying.

Way to be a victim, congratulations! *\o/*

CCP has no sense of humour.
Blake Gates Heleneto
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-11-01 03:28:00 UTC
The GD is goddamn depressing. Go play Eve however YOU wanna play and stop making dumbass ******* threads on the forums about whatever the **** no-one cares about. Seriously. This place is going to complete ****.

Go play YOUR game. Or go the **** outside and breathe some fresh air for goddamn sake. Roll
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-11-01 03:35:29 UTC
Some Rando wrote:

So wait... Miners can't create gank alts for some reason?


Shouldn't have to. Should a player pay more to play the game the way they are entitled to?

Some Rando wrote:
Way to be a victim, congratulations! *\o/*


Way to make his point.

Bumping AFK miners, or even present and active miners for a bit of a lol is all well and good. Persistently doing it over and over to the same person and demanding they pay is unproductive and childish, it's that simple. Sure, do what you want, you can play the game how you want just as they can, but I have to question the motivations. Why do you do it? Is it just because they "have it easy"?

Wow, cry much? For the lulz? Like I said, have your lulz, then get over it.

I've been ganked a few times - I had my cry over it, complained that it wasn't fair, then realised that EVE isn't fair - that's why people play it. You don't like that miners have it easy? That's your problem - you're entitled to mine just as they are. For the same reason you think miners should have gank alts, if you want to whinge about miners having it easy, then you go get yourself a mining alt and you can have it easy too. Anything and everything that another player is doing, you can do it too. If you have to harass people because you don't like the way they're playing the game, then that is your problem, and how you deal with that problem shows your level of maturity, tbh.

So what is it, exactly, that miners are doing that have everyone's panties in a twist? As far as I can tell, they're mining - OH NOES!! NOT MINING!!!! Not a COMPLETELY LEGAL, LEGITIMATE AND COMPLETELY NONINVASIVE GAME ACTIVITY!!!

Why don't you go after the scammers that are robbing noobs of their hard-earned wealth. Why don't you go after people that make everyone else's lives miserable.... oh, wait... cuz that's what you're doing.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-11-01 03:41:54 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
So wait... Miners can't create gank alts for some reason?

Shouldn't have to. Should a player pay more to play the game the way they are entitled to?

It's a way around the sec status and kill rights problem. Way to think outside the box, chump.

Remiel Pollard wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Way to be a victim, congratulations! *\o/*

Way to make his point.

What, that he thinks like a victim? That seems to work real well, doesn't it? Don't bother trying to better yourself or think of ways out of the problem, just whine about how unfair **** is!

Remiel Pollard wrote:
Why don't you go after the scammers that are robbing noobs of their hard-earned wealth..

Noobs don't have anything to steal, hth

CCP has no sense of humour.
Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#79 - 2012-11-01 03:50:59 UTC
Thank you for once again proving that these forums have so little to say or substance to offer that I don't have to keep up with them on an hourly basis anymore. More like every other day or so, and then I find posts such as these, and know that the Kardashians and other trope of the mainstream have infiltrated even this bastion of once deep thought.
A reward devoid of risk is no reward at all, but is instead a handout.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-11-01 03:52:21 UTC
Some Rando wrote:

It's a way around the sec status and kill rights problem. Way to think outside the box, chump.

Give yourself a pat on the back for thinking outside the box, then. A dumb idea, outside the box or not, is still a dumb idea, especially if it places demands on players to purchase a second account, thereby spending money that they shouldn't have to just to counter silly kids with punitive bumping dissociative disorder.

Some Rando wrote:

What, that he thinks like a victim? That seems to work real well, doesn't it? Don't bother trying to better yourself or think of ways out of the problem, just whine about how unfair **** is!

Sounds a bit like people whinging about miners, or creating problems for miners just because.... well, once again, we're back to your motivations, aren't we? Still, the fact that you seem to have missed his point entirely means I should probably clarify for those less well-endowed with brain capacity - I made the point in the rest of my post which you seem to have ignored, or otherwise not responded to, but don't pretend it doesn't exist and don't pretend I didn't make the point well and truly clear - bumping is pointless, unproductive, and childish, and it seems the only result is annoying miners. Will it stop miners from doing what they do? No.

Some Rando wrote:

Noobs don't have anything to steal, hth


PLEX bought on EVE store.

You're thinking like someone who doesn't think that noobs can get a lot of money really quickly, too. How long ago was it for you, anyway, that you were just a noob yourself? How quickly people forget. Don't confuse "noob" with "completely incompetent". Underestimating people is probably why you resort to bumping miners to get your jollies.


“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104